hazard perception ridiculousness

[ocatoro]

so.... guy in work has theory test dvd. just done a hazard perception. i passed it, but i was too good and got 0 for some of them for being too early. which has annoyed me a lot more than if i'd just got a load wrong.

like one was a car turning off... i clicked when he braked, the "green zone" started when he indicated after braking for about 3 seconds.

another was i saw miles ahead there was a car on the side with the road side door open, so i clicked. then went "i'll click again in case i was too early" then when the review thing played after, even my 2nd one was too early.

others i was less than 1 second early... but scored no points. obviously if there's something there i can see to react to, i should get points for seeing it!?

is it just a case of experienced road user being too on the ball?

i drive like this, i am very aware of all of my surroundings even though i speed. i react well in advance of things, and i brake well before corners etc. it'll keep me alive, but will it get me a pass?!
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[U_W v2.0]

click when you see the hazard and again a second later.

common knowledge with HPT. post = boring. sorry dude.
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[jetski]

I agree the test has very little to do with hazard perception. treat it as a video game. have a look at this thread, I found it helpful

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=255235&highlight=


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[thepuma]

Yep, that part of the test is a joke and needs scrapping really.

The best thing to do is when you see the main hazard,click, then a second later click and then once more a second after.


It appears that the scoring window opens somewheres between when the 'potential' hazard becomes an 'actual' hazard....hence why you could be clicking too early if that hazard has still not turned into an actual one.
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[DonDino]

^^^^^^what they said

You have to learn the way to pass the HPT, it has nothing to do with real life.

I used to click even more times than that. Once when I see the hazard, again a second later, and again a few times, spaced apart about 0.5sec to 1sec after that, just in case I didn't get the scoring window with the 1st or 2nd click. If you space 3 to 5 clicks reasonably apart you won't get a "too many clicks" alert either.
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[anthony_r6]

A bigger issue is the quality of the monitors, can't see a goddamn thing with them.
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[Flatbadger]

As above, you have the practise software so develop a strategy to pick up those points, another click as the hazard continues to develop is the way to go.
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[Rogerborg]

I hated the hazard perception. I was constantly wanting the camera vehicle to stop 'riding' so badly: look, there's a bloody white van coming from that side road, slow down and move to the right, you crazy fool!

Ahem. Yes, you'll likely spot hazards well before you're "supposed" to, and get penalised for it (lolwut?). Sadly, there's no solution other than to "play the game" and click-wait-click-wait-click.
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[EazyDuz]

I clicked on average properly every 5 seconds per video, usually came to between 8-12 clicks per vid.
I passed, something like 65 points.
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[yaigi]

Just play the game.
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[Notj7]

I agree, it's a joke!

As bikers we're trained to look further ahead than typical car drivers do. Add to this the fact that I've played video games a lot in the past, and I know when I see anything move out of the ordinary; it could be a hazard.

So imagine a biker and a gamer looking at a really low resolution video, and looking for pixels moving in the distance (this is how you know it'll be an enemy in first person shooters) - if a pixel changes from what you expect it to be, then expect the worst.

Although I passed my hazard perception with flying colours, I had to retrain myself to NOT look for minute changes and things I may expect as a biker, and be a little slower and more retarded like a typical car driver.

It's just what you gotta do! Like you gotta get out of this country while you still can!! (My plan - a couple of years down the line).
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[Alpha-9]

I thought it was easy and quite fun

And afterwards I looked at everything like they were hazards with utmost conviction.

I like it, probably because it's like a game, if a little dumb in the click system
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[Lord Percy]

It might be that the practice DVD was shit...

I did my theory test today and the explanation for the hazard perception showed that you could click immediately as soon as a hazard even remotely happened. More often than not it seemed impossible to click too early because the video quality is so shite.

[supZ]

the thing i was told when i did mine (back when i did my car one it was 25 questions and no hazard test) was to try and count 1 in your head before you click it as the test is designed for new drivers who's roadcraft or anticipation wouldnt be as 'honed' as someone who'd been driving for a number of years and they were right.

the amount of times id click before the 'green' section of the hazard was silly. failed so many times because i reacted before the test would have.

during my action test i actually took to clicking, waiting a sec and clicking again just to be sure. this unfortunately meant on the double hazard one it thought i clicked too many and got 0 but i still passed it 1st time so sod it
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[ocatoro]

cheers for the input guys. it really is stupid that you're basically penalised for being a safer driver. which surely defeats the object entirely.

guess i'll just have to take a breath before clicking or something.

i still think i'll pass as i'd got 7x 5's 4x 4's and a bunch of zeros. all or nothing much!?
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[Llama-Farmer]

The way they test hazard perception is pointless and stupid.

After 5 years driving I scraped a pass on it for my bike theory, yet got nearly full marks the first time I did it for my driving theory.

I know I'm a much better and more aware driver/rider now than I was back then though.

Much better way of testing it would be to explain or justify what you perceive as a hazard and why, but that requires examiners which equals cost.

[MeatHelmet]

I've got mine tomorrow.

Been doing the practice DVD and apparently a tanker pulling onto the motorway from the slip road, making the video car move into lane 2 like it should have done about 200yards previously is a hazard!

Fucking nonsense.

If I fail tomorrow I'm gonna be very unhappy!!

[Fem1]

I've got my Theory Test tomorrow too

I had better pass been studying real hard!!!!