Tricycles and the 3DLD?

[Cadbury]

This might be a long one, please bear with me
Apologies if this has already been covered, I did a search and couldn't find any topics on this.


So, Currently, I have just a motorcycle licence, no car. On my Licence it has the codes
A, K and P.

Currently, 'A' is for 2wheeled motorcycle only. Correct?

This page https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/DG_201206 Says that come January, 'A' Category will now now include Tricycles

[Zen Dog]

Pfft, thats barely the intro to a Teflon Mike post.

Looking at the DVLA page you've posted, nothing is going to change for you (or me), in January.

[Cadbury]

Well, that's what I originally thought. If you look at the wording of that page however, the little * next to all of the A categories, denotes new category description which I think is the key.

It's not a new licence entitlement we are getting, just how they describe the A category. Which, come January looks like it will cover tricycles.

[Zen Dog]

[Cadbury]

I do hope that isn't the case

If the meaning is how you said above, then even though I already have a full A licence, if I was wanting to ride a tricycle, I would have to take my bike test on a 2 wheeled vehicle AGAIN, and still only end up with A on my licence. No change to how it looks on my card, or paper..... that doesn't make sense..... Plus, I would have to doubt whether I even could attempt to take a test for an entitlement I already have.... ..There isn't really anything to differentiate between the 2 types of A (pre and post 2013).

I think I'm going to try and contact the DSA, and see if I can get a definitive answer. This should be fun

[Rogerborg]

I'm minded to believe that's correct (that cat A holders will get access to more vehicles), but I honestly can't bring myself to care enough to do the sums.
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[Zen Dog]

I got the impression that the categories mean different things depending on when you passed your test.

Thats obviously an unnecessarily confusing way of doing things, but this is the DVLA we're talking about.

Zen Dog
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[tahrey]

^ This is usually the way - e.g. different moped / CBT requirements, what tonnage you can drive on a car license, etc ... but don't bet against the EU having futzed with even THAT. Retroactively requiring speed limiters (and lowered ones) on some already-in-use buses etc.

BTW, I always wondered who the tiny group of people driving those in the UK were, and why. I presume there's some reason you can't just do the car test and get licensed for a "real" vehicle that will be both quicker, safer, and cheaper to buy AND run? (Their MPG isn't that great)

In France, it's because you can drive certain of them either without a license, or as a non-fully-qualified learner (equivalent to having done your CBT or whatever) for the quicker ones. Here, there's no such allowance, so their niche is near-zero... I guess the bike-but-not-car license thing is where it lives?

[Cadbury]

[tahrey]

Oh ... so "P" only covers 2-wheelers in the UK right now?

Sucks to be on motability then (seen a scooter modified to a 3-wheeler with a wheelchair platform before!). Must be why they have their full car entitlement brought forward to 16...?

[GTR1400]

Sorry to bring up an old thread. Anybody figure an answer to this?

[-Matt-]

Maybe im missing something, but who and why decided it would be wise to let somone whos passed a moped test drive a "less than x-kg under x-mph" car with likely zero car experience on the roads under this AM licensing you mention

Old thread admittey but REALLY?

[Shinigami]

yeah I thought that too, can jump behind the wheel of a car having never sat in a driving seat before in your life, true the car can only get to 28mph but you can still do some damage at that speed
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[Shinigami]

saying that I wouldn't mind having a go of one, would be handy for when the weather is really bad or when I need to pick up the little n or when my bike breaks again
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[dan_flash]

They're surprisingly popular here actually, see them all the time. A man in this apartment building has an ER-6 and an Aixam as his only forms of transport (as far as I can tell). From that, I think it's safe to assume that he only has class a class A licence.

I like the idea of the Aixam but in reality it's balls. Always get stuck behind the fuckers on a 100 road, plodding along at 45.

So in short, I guess if you have class A or AM, you should be good to drive one of those terrible vehicles if you wish.
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[Shinigami]

appears to be a few different models, some shown as 28mph top speed and some at 58mph? would the 58mph one be legal to drive on a full A licence (pre changes)?
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[dan_flash]

[Shinigami]

that seems to be what it looks like, i've a full A catagory but no b1 entitlement,

so looks like i'd be stuck with the 28mph effort? eaugh I won't bother!
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[The Disapproving Brit]

Just reading through this, it looks like my friend is going to be really unhappy. At 4'5, she's physically too short to ride a bike - she pure and simple cannot reach the floor even on a low bike. She was after getting a trike, but held off on taking her car test because she didn't know the new rules, and because of the difficulty in finding a car suitable for her height.

Now, it seems that a car license won't work for her, and she needs a bike license, which she physically cannot possibly get. A trike cbt and test is available, but only to disabled riders - she's not disabled, she's just short.

So does she literally have no options at all now?
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[yambabe]

[The Disapproving Brit]

[Shinigami]

"eh up, so yeah, you're a real life dwarf" *slap*

"...I guess that makes you 'grumpy' then"
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