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PostPosted: 10:02 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Bike Maintenance Courses Reply with quote

As interested as I am in bikes, I really don't have the time to do a full-time, 2 year motorcycle maintenance apprenticeship, which is the only course available in Dorset, unless I do a distance learning thing which wouldn't work for me. I was sure there would be evening classes locally, but there is eff all.

Does anyone know of anywhere that does something like a 1 or 2 day intensive course that covers the basics and a bit more? I live in Dorset but am happy to go anywhere within reason and stay if necessary.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haynes manual, small 125 (not your own.. I'm not looking forward to working on the Varadero) and just a nice decent socket set and spanner set.

A few afternoons of removing bolts, checking things.. you'll soon pick it up Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Haynes manual, small 125 (not your own.. I'm not looking forward to working on the Varadero) and just a nice decent socket set and spanner set.

A few afternoons of removing bolts, checking things.. you'll soon pick it up Thumbs Up

Thanks Paddy. Smile I really think I need someone to show me what to do though, it's how I learn best. I've only got the Varadero to work on and I am terrified of doing something stupid to it.. Sad
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well...

Personally I enjoy working things out, I like to tinker too.

If you wanted, there are plenty of non runners on ebay that can be had for cheap. You can slip a cheeky bid on one and with the aid of BCF you can remove parts, check everything and quite possibly get it running again!

Small things used to give me great satisfaction, brake pads, fork seals, changing bulbs...

Now I enjoy stuff like valve clearances and carbs Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
If you wanted, there are plenty of non runners on ebay that can be had for cheap. You can slip a cheeky bid on one and with the aid of BCF you can remove parts, check everything and quite possibly get it running again!:


Oooh, that's a good idea! I'll have to give it a month or so after I start my job (end oct), but am going to start looking. Smile
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

as paddy says, diving in at the deep end with a cheap non runner off ebay could be the best way for some people to learn. and hey, if you managed to get it running and fix it up you could end up with a nice little second bike to have some fun on or sell on and hopefully make a little profit on the side
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I started with my NSR I removed the engine casing.. dropped a cog from the gear and put it in the wrong way (I think.) straight after this my bike developed a problem going into neutral while the engine was running.

Upon putting the crank casing back on (after realising the spindle replacement I had intended to do was too much work for me) I snapped 3 engine bolts, 2 in the crank casing and one in the water pump housing - which had it pissing out water.

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PostPosted: 11:16 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is definately the way to learn, I plan to buy a cheap sportsbike next year to work on, it doesnt matter so much if u mess it up, where as if its your pride and joy its different!!
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look at your local FE college - they may do basic maintenance evening classes.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
Have a look at your local FE college - they may do basic maintenance evening classes.

MCW wrote:
I was sure there would be evening classes locally, but there is eff all.

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PostPosted: 12:06 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCW wrote:
Islander wrote:
Have a look at your local FE college - they may do basic maintenance evening classes.

MCW wrote:
I was sure there would be evening classes locally, but there is eff all.

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Whoops, missed that. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like a fun project

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=257169

seems to need a fair amount of work, but should give you pleanty to learn.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
looks like a fun project

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=257169

seems to need a fair amount of work, but should give you pleanty to learn.

Looks terrifying....! Smile
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A book like this might get you started.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Essential-Guide-Motorcycle-Maintenance/dp/1884313418
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
carbs Laughing


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PostPosted: 14:49 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy's is a brilliant idea. With somewhere dry and kettle-equipped to put it you can tinker and learn in comfort.

I am useless at bike fixing. The bike i did the most work on was the RXS which was unbelievably forgiving. Also it was my only transport for most of the time i had it so everything had to just be done without taking the time to fiddle about and understand what's what. It was outdoors so there was a lot of torch in the mouth, soggy and windswept manual, numb fingers type cursing of Haynes and/or Yamaha. I'll be honest, it put me off a bit Laughing

Being on here with The Workshop section would have been a godsend. That and a project in a dry place and no pressure will be fantastic.

There are some brilliant guides in the stickies at the top of that section. I've been reading the brakes ones (first up on the GT) and they're written by people from on here who make sense (not the people who write manuals who inexplicably give a part one name in the diagram and another name in the accompanying instructions Evil or Very Mad )

Also, a small (unofficial) benefit of being laydeez is we can ask anything and no matter how obvious it is there are no man-points lost Cool Technically that's horribly sexist and officially we're outraged and indignant about it. . . . . .but meh, it works Very Happy

When i can start buying parts i will be on here asking all sorts of questions about the GT so i will be joining you in spamming The Workshop Wink
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 14 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cornish wrote:
(not the people who write manuals who inexplicably give a part one name in the diagram and another name in the accompanying instructions Evil or Very Mad )

I find that spending many hours in the workshop section of the forum forces you to quickly become familiar with the terminology and different names for parts and tools used, as well as helping to build a basic understanding of how things work.
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cornish wrote:
Paddy's is a brilliant idea. With somewhere dry and kettle-equipped to put it you can tinker and learn in comfort.


This is the big problem for me at the moment. I've managed the considerable coup of being allowed to use my mum's garage for the purposes of the bottom-end swap on my CG... whose main advantages are 1/ properly lit, 2/ has plugs for things like heat guns... or heaters, 3/ has a kettle less than 30 seconds away, 4/ has a hot + cold sink with a bottle of fairy liquid five seconds stumble in-excruciating-pain / covered-in-unexpectedly-ejected-poisonous-shit away, 5/ doesn't have a leaky friggin roof, 6/ has other people around within earshot of a hearty yell...

None of which my own offers, being part of a communal block, unpowered, leaky, and provided along with the purchase of a top floor flat on an estate where hardly anyone knows each other and most of the other residents are either very much retired, or renting.

I'd love something a bit like what OP mentioned, although maybe a little more extensive. Basically, an equivalent of the ECDL (european computer driving license) which can take you from being a completely helpless mewling n00b, to a mild level of all-round compentency ready for greater things if you so wish, e.g. the "1 year" (2-3 semester/term) courses that I guess are the equivalent of a CompTIA A+ / Net+ (which I also ended up doing).

Much like how my own computer knowledge developed, the vast majority of what I know about maintaining cars and bikes has been experiential, mainly hacking about something that I need to use for commuting but can't afford to keep taking to a mechanic, equipped with a Haynes, swarfega, a bunch of hand-me-down tools, endless cups of tea, and the internet (or the equivalent processes in the electronic arena, both hardware and software tinkering and usage). God bless the internet. I'd have had no hope without it. In either case.

This means that there are certain things on the car and bike I can do backwards, blindfolded, one handed, in my sleep ... and other supposedly simple areas that are an absolute blind spot, from lack of experience, lack of opportunity, and not a small amount of fear or risk of immobility/financial loss/injury/death if it goes tits up meaning it's just a whole lot easier to hand it over to a professional and pony up the cash.

EG brakes (I can *just* about change and bleed the fluid, that's *it*), bearings, steering/suspension... spoke adjustment... etc. Or anything approximating "actual" workshop graft. Despite having no fear about pulling the engine to its component pieces - so long as it can be done with a socket set and a hammer of course.

Which is kind of how it was before doing the ECDL. I could make a damn good showing of a lot of common and a couple of uncommon things in Word, Excel, Publisher and the like, but there were a good few glaring gaps as well, some rather egregious (couldn't mail merge to save my life), others a little more unexpected (what's this "styles" thing? Equation solver?!), and a couple that would be embarrassing if not explained away by never having had realistic chance to partake in them before (doing -anything- in Access). Some of the work, particularly the early stuff, was pretty boring as I did actually know it, and could even pick holes where they'd cocked up a bit on the background info, but it wasn't long before actually-new things started to crop up.

3-4 months after starting the (casual) course, mostly opting to do the work in a Learndirect drop-in centre at a certain time every week that matched a gap in my schedule - as it guaranteed a decent environment to concentrate on it, plus an actual human tutor directly on hand rather than at the end of an email client, and you had to go there to do the module exams anyway - I came out of it much better equipped to show employers that yes, actually, I do know my way around MS Office and I'm not just winging it.

Sure, I couldn't program Visual Basic, I knew nothing about networking, and my hardware hacking skills were still decidedly ghetto, but it avoided a lot of potentially embarrassing or damaging issues when trying to do something conceptually more complicated than changing the oil. That other stuff had to wait for the CompTIA courses which, if you combine them together, are much closer in concept to the described "traditional" night school affair. More expensive, run for the whole year (or two), rather more demanding than just rocking up with your bike at the set date and time and being shown how to, e.g. change the brake pads without one of the caliper pistons flinging itself across the rooms and getting lost, pissing brake fluid all over, then the spring being too strong for you to put back together... (oh hello VW Polo rear drums...)

All hosted in, at the very least, a covered, lit and ventilated workshop area with tutor(s) in attendance, some of the more complex tools being borrowable (sign out, sign back in; you provide your own simpler/more stealable ones, from a list of required stuff), power provided off extensions, and some kind of hot drinks available. Deluxe version having heating and a data-projector...


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PostPosted: 11:13 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

tahrey wrote:
Stuff which I did read. Smile

Thank you for that input tahrey. I put it through Google translate, but I am afraid it left me none the wiser. I think you were saying get out of the rain, keep safe and make sure you know what you are doing. Smile
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically I was agreeing with you.

Some kind of one semester / one term (1/2 or 1/3rd year) course, one night a week, not too expensive, but held in an actual college workshop with proper teachers, with the intent to get newbies up to speed in the full range of basic maintenance things, without necessarily getting into the deep-hack procedures = yes please.

More "alright, for the next half hour I'll be showing you how to sort the fork oil and seals, lackwits... then we'll be on to checking the valve clearances" rather than stripping a CBF down into it's component parts over 4 1/2 months, then building it back up into something you'd see on American Chopper in the next 4 1/2.

Wouldn't mind an hour or so on just what exactly is inside a carburettor and how you adjust it, too. I've got mine off the bike at the moment and I'm actually more baffled looking it over than I was beforehand. What I thought was the throttle plate is actually the choke, and the throttle itself appears to be a spike on a spring?!

Doing it ad-hoc with a Haynes Book Of Lies, the interweb, and whatever half-suitable tools you have sitting around, in facilities that are very reliant on the weather being friendly as well as potentially risky is all well and good if you have at least half a clue of what you're doing and aren't too bothered if the machine still works at the end of the session, but if you're just starting out in unfamiliar territory it can help if the first time is in better equipped surroundings with someone to hold your hand.

(insert clumsy sexual allusion here)
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

tahrey wrote:
Basically I was agreeing with you.

..and now I agree with you. Smile

tahrey wrote:
(insert clumsy sexual allusion here)

How about: it can help if the first time is with your hand holding someone better equipped..? Is that clumsy enough? Confused
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:

Thank you. Have ordered the cheapest 2nd hand one on Amazon - apparently it has to come from the US, so that will give me time to find a wreck to love back to health. Smile
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sounds like an excellent idea, and kudos to you for being prepared to give it a go after being very unsure at the start. Everything I really understand and can do well, I learned myself through doing, practising, cocking up, doing background reading, having another go. Most recent example is building my own sauna and hot tub, powered by a wood burning stove. Built the entire sauna cabin from the ground up, found a boiler that would fit the stove, found a machine shop willing to drill it, figured out what plumbing parts I'd need and fitted them, clad and insulated the tub etc etc etc. It's not the most elegant building ever constructed, and nobody is going to mistake me for a cabinet maker, but bloody hell, I built it, I learned LOADS and my confidence in such things is much improved.

I think, once I have somewhere to do the work, I'll do the same thing you're doing.
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCW wrote:

How about: it can help if the first time is with your hand holding someone better equipped..? Is that clumsy enough? Confused


So very nearly a horrible nudge nudge wink wink innuendo about mutual masturbation or guided groping, and just fell short of the mark. Expertly judged.

In any case, the summary version of it all is, you can learn a lot trying things yourself, reading out of a book or via the internet, and I've certainly done enough of that. But for certain tasks it helps enormously to have someone on the scene who already knows the right way of doing it. IE a teacher.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 16 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed about someone to show you stuff. The rxs had one carb that you could just take off and have a look at. I had a friend round (bribed with cake) when the float wasn't working properly on mine. When it was off i was having a nosey to see how it worked and (gently!) poked the drainage tube thing that sticks up inside. It immediately snapped off and what could have been a quick job turned into a trip to the breakers Rolling Eyes But, i got the gist of how it worked cos there was someone there to talk me through it and ask questions to.

Having said that, it's not really transferable to the GT which has a big row of incredibly complicated looking things that need to be set-up by a buddhist monk and can only be cleaned in unicorn tears Crying or Very sad

Also 2-strokes have some clever thing of lined-up holes that all work nicely and are entirely different to 4-strokes which have complicated fiddly things individually, but then non-singles are also all complicated and precious about how they work with each other too Shocked

Indoors is definitely good. Mines outside and we live on a mountain so it's like a wind-tunnel out there. I've been round and round the house to try and find a place to put it indoors but our place is teeny so it's not going to happen unless i bin the sofa or the kitchen table Sad

I've got no bikey mates down here so all the jobs on the GT will have to be books, internet and then pics and annoying questions on here. We need some sort of rental tutor we can pass between us Very Happy
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