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hybrid350lc
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: revving out Reply with quote

Hi all

I have a hybrid350 lc
With the what seems a not uncommon hanging on to revs problem
I have tried a list of fixes so if you can add any ideas I would appreciate any help
A bit of background
4l0 bike 31k motor std no porting
Hy tech reads just fitted
New crank case seals and bearings
Fresh rebore and new pistons out to 1.0mm over
All new gaskets and seals throughout the motor so as far as I can see no air leaks
Just fitted new ypvs valve seals too
Carbs are std 31k type 260 mains 22.5 pilots
I have tried 27.5 and 37.5 no joy there
Changed float heights
New coil and caps
New plugs again
New YPVS seals
New throttle cable
I am running auto lube
Tried with airbox pod filters and no airbox
Tried 3 different sets of carbs
Bike is hard to start revs ok from cold but when on a ride shut the throttle off and the revs stay up or go up to 5k+ but if I keep the clutch out I can get the revs back down by running it in gear until the revs are down to lower level does not make for a nice ride
It seems that as I am idling along at a slow pace that the bike is hunting juddering back and forth too.
The bike has always done this before and after the complete rebuild

So any help please
Getting quite cheesed off and light on new inspiration Rolling Eyes
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MarJay
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's doing it after a rebuild? Then I'd guess at either an air leak in the carb rubbers or a poorly adjusted throttle cable. Are you sure the throttle slides are in the right way around? I had the same trouble on my 350 YPVS when I hadn't quite got one of the slides in the right place...
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may need to turn out your fuel screw/s.
If you are sure nothing is catching/snagging, then it may be the case that you are running lean.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like you haven't adjusted your post properly, the problem is your thread is in the wrong area, it should be in the workshop not in here.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the same issue with my TDR 250 and it turned out to be the carb mounting rubbers were cracked. Only tiny barely visible cracks to begin with but it made a noticeable difference.

Also triple check the throttle routing just in case something is snagging somewhere, had a similar issue with my CBR which could quite easily have been mistaken for an air leak. Was caused by having rotated the throttle body on the bar just slightly but enough to take the slack out of the cable. Was an absolute arse ache to get it to move freely again.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would also go for an air leak at the inlet rubbers.

Get it idling and squirt some EZ start round the carb rubber area. If the revs increase, you have an air leak.

Worn slides can cause a similar problem by getting jammed in the throttle body at an angle by the faster air rushing into the carb at full throttle but it looks like you've got that covered. That said, you tried different carbs but did you keep the same throttle valves?
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hybrid350lc
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 15 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I would also go for an air leak at the inlet rubbers.

Get it idling and squirt some EZ start round the carb rubber area. If the revs increase, you have an air leak.

Worn slides can cause a similar problem by getting jammed in the throttle body at an angle by the faster air rushing into the carb at full throttle but it looks like you've got that covered. That said, you tried different carbs but did you keep the same throttle valves?


hi
changed the whole carb each time
i will try the ez start see how that goes
i have sealed all parts with clear heatproof silcone salant so should be ok
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hybrid350lc
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hybrid350lc wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
I would also go for an air leak at the inlet rubbers.

Get it idling and squirt some EZ start round the carb rubber area. If the revs increase, you have an air leak.

Worn slides can cause a similar problem by getting jammed in the throttle body at an angle by the faster air rushing into the carb at full throttle but it looks like you've got that covered. That said, you tried different carbs but did you keep the same throttle valves?


hi
changed the whole carb each time
i will try the ez start see how that goes
i have sealed all parts with clear heatproof silcone salant so should be ok


hi again
tried easy start no apparent leaks or air being drawn in
throttle cable all free and carbs set and balanced
so i tried a set of mikuni tm 28 carbs seems to improve massivly revs up and down does still hang on a little but a huge improvement, i think i need bigger mains in them because the bike wont pull through mid to full throttle so gone from 200 to 230 just got to have a test ride ill keep you informed as to the result
i have ordered new inlet rubbers just in case
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hybrid350lc
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pits wrote:
It sounds like you haven't adjusted your post properly, the problem is your thread is in the wrong area, it should be in the workshop not in here.


oh thanks for your help brilliant
you may of noticed this was my first post so im new to this and was not sure where to post
didnt realize is was so important
but thanks anyway
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hybrid350lc
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hybrid350lc wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
I would also go for an air leak at the inlet rubbers.

Get it idling and squirt some EZ start round the carb rubber area. If the revs increase, you have an air leak.

Worn slides can cause a similar problem by getting jammed in the throttle body at an angle by the faster air rushing into the carb at full throttle but it looks like you've got that covered. That said, you tried different carbs but did you keep the same throttle valves?


hi
changed the whole carb each time
i will try the ez start see how that goes
i have sealed all parts with clear heatproof silcone salant so should be ok


hi again
tried easy start no apparent leaks or air being drawn in
throttle cable all free and carbs set and balanced
so i tried a set of mikuni tm 28 carbs seems to improve massivly revs up and down does still hang on a little but a huge improvement, i think i need bigger mains in them because the bike wont pull through mid to full throttle so gone from 200 to 230 just got to have a test ride ill keep you informed as to the result
i have ordered new inlet rubbers just in case
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hybrid350lc
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I would also go for an air leak at the inlet rubbers.

Get it idling and squirt some EZ start round the carb rubber area. If the revs increase, you have an air leak.

Worn slides can cause a similar problem by getting jammed in the throttle body at an angle by the faster air rushing into the carb at full throttle but it looks like you've got that covered. That said, you tried different carbs but did you keep the same throttle valves?


used complete different carbs

hi again
tried easy start no apparent leaks or air being drawn in
throttle cable all free and carbs set and balanced
so i tried a set of mikuni tm 28 carbs seems to improve massivly revs up and down does still hang on a little but a huge improvement, i think i need bigger mains in them because the bike wont pull through mid to full throttle so gone from 200 to 230 just got to have a test ride ill keep you informed as to the result
i have ordered new inlet rubbers just in case
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hybrid350lc
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 17 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: revving out Reply with quote

hybrid350lc wrote:
Hi all

I have a hybrid350 lc
With the what seems a not uncommon hanging on to revs problem
I have tried a list of fixes so if you can add any ideas I would appreciate any help
A bit of background
4l0 bike 31k motor std no porting
Hy tech reads just fitted
New crank case seals and bearings
Fresh rebore and new pistons out to 1.0mm over
All new gaskets and seals throughout the motor so as far as I can see no air leaks
Just fitted new ypvs valve seals too
Carbs are std 31k type 260 mains 22.5 pilots
I have tried 27.5 and 37.5 no joy there
Changed float heights
New coil and caps
New plugs again
New YPVS seals
New throttle cable
I am running auto lube
Tried with airbox pod filters and no airbox
Tried 3 different sets of carbs
Bike is hard to start revs ok from cold but when on a ride shut the throttle off and the revs stay up or go up to 5k+ but if I keep the clutch out I can get the revs back down by running it in gear until the revs are down to lower level does not make for a nice ride
It seems that as I am idling along at a slow pace that the bike is hunting juddering back and forth too.
The bike has always done this before and after the complete rebuild

So any help please
Getting quite cheesed off and light on new inspiration Rolling Eyes



hi again
tried easy start no apparent leaks or air being drawn in
throttle cable all free and carbs set and balanced
so i tried a set of mikuni tm 28 carbs seems to improve massivly revs up and down does still hang on a little but a huge improvement, i think i need bigger mains in them because the bike wont pull through mid to full throttle so gone from 200 to 230 just got to have a test ride ill keep you informed as to the result
i have ordered new inlet rubbers just in case
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