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keggyhander
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: This is what the police really think about free speech Reply with quote

https://www.policespecials.com/forum/index.php?/topic/132554-men-jailed-man-who-wore-anti-police-t-shirt-on-day-pcs-fiona-bone-and-nicola-hughes-were-shot/

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Well before the introduction of the POA, he could have possibly been arrested for conduct likely to occasion a BOP, but not before some summary justice was meted out by the arresting officer.............. How times have changed?

Good riddance to bad rubbish for a few months at least!


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I don't know if anyone heard the Jeremy Vine Show on BBC Radio 2 today, but the utter dross that some callers came out with in defence of this vile individual was beyond belief. statements such as...."How can wearing a tee-shirt be an offence", etc.etc., and "It shouldn't warrant a custodial sentence".

Yes my friends, there are still plenty of them out there!!!


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..personally I'd like to see him dance on the end of a rope, but there we go.


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Looking at it from another way, I'd rather have this then some anonymous person posting vile comments on FB. At least I'd know who to hit!


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A good hiding in the cells would have been faster - and a more effective attitude adjustment.


Disgusting pigs.
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do know these are police specials ?? and not real police officers Smile
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: This is what the police really think about free speech Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
https://www.policespecials.com/forum/index.php?/topic/132554-men-jailed-man-who-wore-anti-police-t-shirt-on-day-pcs-fiona-bone-and-nicola-hughes-were-shot/

Some quotes:

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Well before the introduction of the POA, he could have possibly been arrested for conduct likely to occasion a BOP, but not before some summary justice was meted out by the arresting officer.............. How times have changed?

Good riddance to bad rubbish for a few months at least!


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I don't know if anyone heard the Jeremy Vine Show on BBC Radio 2 today, but the utter dross that some callers came out with in defence of this vile individual was beyond belief. statements such as...."How can wearing a tee-shirt be an offence", etc.etc., and "It shouldn't warrant a custodial sentence".

Yes my friends, there are still plenty of them out there!!!


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..personally I'd like to see him dance on the end of a rope, but there we go.


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Looking at it from another way, I'd rather have this then some anonymous person posting vile comments on FB. At least I'd know who to hit!


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A good hiding in the cells would have been faster - and a more effective attitude adjustment.


Disgusting pigs.


Serving the public?

wots dat saaarge Eh? Eh? Eh?
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: This is what the police really think about free speech Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
https://www.policespecials.com/forum/index.php?/topic/132554-men-jailed-man-who-wore-anti-police-t-shirt-on-day-pcs-fiona-bone-and-nicola-hughes-were-shot/

Some quotes:

Quote:
Well before the introduction of the POA, he could have possibly been arrested for conduct likely to occasion a BOP, but not before some summary justice was meted out by the arresting officer.............. How times have changed?

Good riddance to bad rubbish for a few months at least!


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I don't know if anyone heard the Jeremy Vine Show on BBC Radio 2 today, but the utter dross that some callers came out with in defence of this vile individual was beyond belief. statements such as...."How can wearing a tee-shirt be an offence", etc.etc., and "It shouldn't warrant a custodial sentence".

Yes my friends, there are still plenty of them out there!!!


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..personally I'd like to see him dance on the end of a rope, but there we go.


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Looking at it from another way, I'd rather have this then some anonymous person posting vile comments on FB. At least I'd know who to hit!


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A good hiding in the cells would have been faster - and a more effective attitude adjustment.


Disgusting pigs.


Keggy, if someone were to ambush and murder your good friend or a work colleague of yours and then some attention seeking numpty decided to parade around your neighbourhood with a t-shirt mocking the act and congratulating the murdering scum that killed said friend or colleague, you of course would be accepting of this and not angered at all. Right?

I find it difficult to comprehend that someone such as you, who has regularly shown utter contempt for no reason other than skin colour and creed, would find these comments, made by decent people who are rightfully shocked and disgusted at the vile acts of this nutjob, in the slightest bit troubling.

You feel this man was correct in his actions. To wear a t-shirt celebrating the death of two young women performing their jobs? This is acceptable to you?

But the colleagues, friends, family and those with a sense of morality are not allowed to post their feelings towards this individual? They are 'disgusting pigs' for venting their anger in the comments section of a news article?

Your moral compass needs fixing.
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PostPosted: 04:36 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: This is what the police really think about free speech Reply with quote

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Keggy, if someone were to ambush and murder your good friend or a work colleague of yours and then some attention seeking numpty decided to parade around your neighbourhood with a t-shirt mocking the act and congratulating the murdering scum that killed said friend or colleague, you of course would be accepting of this and not angered at all. Right?

I find it difficult to comprehend that someone such as you, who has regularly shown utter contempt for no reason other than skin colour and creed, would find these comments, made by decent people who are rightfully shocked and disgusted at the vile acts of this nutjob, in the slightest bit troubling.

You feel this man was correct in his actions. To wear a t-shirt celebrating the death of two young women performing their jobs? This is acceptable to you?

But the colleagues, friends, family and those with a sense of morality are not allowed to post their feelings towards this individual? They are 'disgusting pigs' for venting their anger in the comments section of a news article?

Your moral compass needs fixing.


6 months for being unpopular then?
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PostPosted: 07:42 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You also are aware the guy was jailed for breaching his parole and not simply for wearing an offensive t-shirt?

He was a convicted criminal still serving part of a 12 month suspended sentence at the time and as such is not entitled to the same level of civic freedom and liberty as the rest of the population until such time as that sentence is completed. He was returned to jail for the balance of his sentence for deliberately setting out to make a pain in the arse of himself. In the same way as he'd have had the t-shirt taken off him and phone privilages removed if he'd been in jail instead of serving his sentence in the community.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stinkwheel said it all really.

Perhaps policespecials needs more nobcat Thinking

oh and this
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Article 19 goes on to say that the exercise of these rights carries "special duties and responsibilities" and may "therefore be subject to certain restrictions" when necessary "For respect of the rights or reputation of others" or "For the protection of national security or of public order (order public), or of public health or morals".

They themselves are saying freedom of speech has its own 'get out clauses' the vague, open to interpretation kind that sees people posting things on facebook arrested
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would happen if someone were to make a complaint to the police about the provocative language used on that site?

Wishing him dead, a badly veiled threat of violence. Surely some of the things posted there are just as bad as the original offence except (discounting media coverage) are available to far more people than a tshirt.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What would happen if someone were to make a complaint to the police about the provocative language used on that site?

Wishing him dead, a badly veiled threat of violence. Surely some of the things posted there are just as bad as the original offence except (discounting media coverage) are available to far more people than a tshirt.


As someone said on their forum, why is okay to wish someone dead because you don't like them? Then you're just doing exactly what he was, except it's okay because he's unpopular?

Regardless of who the cunt was, one persons opinion or actions shouldn't be treated any differently from anyone else.

If someone stabs the guy in the street because of what he did that would be swept under the carpet and the police would have no responsibility for it happening. Despite them saying he should be hung on the forum "advocating hatred and violence"

Welcome to china. Seig heil. Wasted

If he wasn't printed in the paper noone would have heard of him, a few people who passed by would have been offended and he might have got hit my a MOP who disagreed with him. That's as much justice as was needed.
But no, lets print the picture, show the whole world and make everyone hate him and be offended. Even though they wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

You see what i'm saying? Neutral
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: This is what the police really think about free speech Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
6 months for being unpopular then?


Nope........ 6 months for being a tw@t.
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not the first time the rozzers have gotten all uppity over someone wearing a t shirt.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3624668/Wear-an-anti-Blair-jacket...-and-youll-have-your-collar-felt.html

https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/competitionnews/392/68779.html

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/5135150.stm
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: This is what the police really think about free speech Reply with quote

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Keggy, if someone were to ambush and murder your good friend or a work colleague of yours and then some attention seeking numpty decided to parade around your neighbourhood with a t-shirt mocking the act and congratulating the murdering scum that killed said friend or colleague, you of course would be accepting of this and not angered at all. Right?

But me and my friends are not popo. By your reckoning he would have been liable if he had on a T-Shirt depicting the Ice-T album "Cop Killer.

I don't think he was correct. But I think he had the right. Let's not forget that Ian Tomlinson and Hillsborough were still open wounds for some. This incident was phase one of Operation Regain Authority. Phase two was the persecution of the Tory Chief Whip.

You feel this man was correct in his actions. To wear a t-shirt celebrating the death of two young women performing their jobs? This is acceptable to you?
But the colleagues, friends, family and those with a sense of morality are not allowed to post their feelings towards this individual? They are 'disgusting pigs' for venting their anger in the comments section of a news article?

Your moral compass needs fixing.


My moral compass is awesome. Can't say the same for a disingenous police fanboy like you.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: This is what the police really think about free speech Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
Let's not forget that Ian Tomlinson and Hillsborough were still open wounds for some.


Given that of the girls that died 1 wasn't even born when Hillsborough occurred and the other would have been sub 10 years old - I'd hardly consider it a valid excuse.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: This is what the police really think about free speech Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
rumppole wrote:


Keggy, if someone were to ambush and murder your good friend or a work colleague of yours and then some attention seeking numpty decided to parade around your neighbourhood with a t-shirt mocking the act and congratulating the murdering scum that killed said friend or colleague, you of course would be accepting of this and not angered at all. Right?

But me and my friends are not popo. By your reckoning he would have been liable if he had on a T-Shirt depicting the Ice-T album "Cop Killer.

I don't think he was correct. But I think he had the right. Let's not forget that Ian Tomlinson and Hillsborough were still open wounds for some. This incident was phase one of Operation Regain Authority. Phase two was the persecution of the Tory Chief Whip.

You feel this man was correct in his actions. To wear a t-shirt celebrating the death of two young women performing their jobs? This is acceptable to you?
But the colleagues, friends, family and those with a sense of morality are not allowed to post their feelings towards this individual? They are 'disgusting pigs' for venting their anger in the comments section of a news article?

Your moral compass needs fixing.


My moral compass is awesome. Can't say the same for a disingenous police fanboy like you.


The guy commit an offence. Simple.

He also did it at a time that in any decent and normal persons view point was grossly offensive.

Disingenuous? From the context you have used this word I'm not entirely sure you grasp the actual meaning, but no I am not.

With regards your morale compass. I think the majority of posters on BCF know exactly how fecked up yours is.

I'm quite sickened that even someone like you Keggy could find a way of cheapening the lives of two young women.

Has the british bobby wronged you back home in SA?
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

He fucking thinks I'm Kradmelder!!!!!!! Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: This is what the police really think about free speech Reply with quote

arry wrote:
keggyhander wrote:
Let's not forget that Ian Tomlinson and Hillsborough were still open wounds for some.


Given that of the girls that died 1 wasn't even born when Hillsborough occurred and the other would have been sub 10 years old - I'd hardly consider it a valid excuse.


Potato?
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
He fucking thinks I'm Kradmelder!!!!!!! Shocked


Oh FFS. I see what I've done here. Embarassed

I'm now going to swiftly exit and hide for a while Smile

On a serious note. Its unfair of me to generalise on your moral compass Keggy. I thought you were the other K. My sincerest apologies for that.

But I do maintain that the actions of this male should have resulted in a custodial.

I don't agree with what the Specials have said. But its all about context and the human ability to differentiate between wrong and outright criminal.

Once more.... sorry for the ID issue Keg.
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Genuinely worrying that those people are allowed to patrol the streets with full police powers.. and most likely many of them aspire to become full time officers..
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 23 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh good, bible quotes. Just what the world needs more of.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 23 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Oh good, bible quotes. Just what the world needs more of.


If only they'd put them all in one place...
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 23 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Alpha-9 wrote:
Oh good, bible quotes. Just what the world needs more of.


If only they'd put them all in one place...


You mean like a comic book?




or a dustbin?
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