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Xinthus
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: NEW PURCHASE? Reply with quote

Hi guys Just wanted your Feelings and comments on a Yamaha XJ600 Diversion F

Just seen this in a dealership with heated grips and side panions, 2011 plate, £4900 to buy..

As a First bike what can you tell me about it.. pro's Cons' good first bike?

Thanks for all your comments in advance.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

first thing i'd ask is "are the grips in a relay?"

theres other questions but are the usual sorta ones you'd ask.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, well im new to this sort of thing, so pointers on what to ask ect.. . would also be greatly appreciated.. only passed test on 9th Oct. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

# of previous owners?
when was its last service/mot?
does it have tax?

check the framework for rust
check any chrome and the front forks for pitting (if he forks re badly pitted, i've usually been told to walk away)
check the chain and rear sprocket for wear (the spikes on the sprocket will be unevenly shapped or have a curve to them)

hmm.....i forget many others because im distracted.

queue someone better informed lol
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

a 2011 plate!! It shouldn't have rust, pitted forks etc. Laughing

See how much warranty is left. I think Yam do 2 years on their bikes so you should be safe Thumbs Up

Whats the mileage?

I have heard nothing bad said about them which is usually a pretty good sign. It usually comes out somewhere on a bike forum if the bike isn't up to scratch.

However you can get a brand new one for £5649 from a dealer so maybe a bit of a haggle is in order.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-YAMAHA-XJ600S-DIVERSION-REDUCED-PRICE-/190737704834?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2c68da6782
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Sponnng wrote:
first thing i'd ask is "are the grips in a relay?"

theres other questions but are the usual sorta ones you'd ask.

My god you are a pillock.

Anyway, back on track. It's a 2011 bike, I'd get the mileage before you even get out of bed, then check prices in autotrader for similar.

They're very popular commuter or courier bikes, if it's been abused at either one of those tasks, it will most likely show in the miles.

See whether it's been kept under cover or not, the general condition of the bike should be excellent, given it's at most a year old, but pay attention to bolt heads and exposed parts; some may get 'furry' with road salt and lack of care.

As a first bike, it would be ok. Bit gutless, neutral feeling and confidence boosting. You might decide it's a bit boring after a while though. What are your long-term plans for biking? Touring? Commuting? Chucking it into a gravel trap? It'd do the first two well, the last not so much. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
noobish things, but trying to help

Not every bike should be judged by the typical failings of a Chinese bike, so yes, better-informed opinions would be of greater use at this point.

Given that it's a one-year-old bike from one of the Big Four, I'd suggest that if there's nothing visibly wrong with it (leaks, rattles or scrapes), it's probably fine. As with Polarbear, I've not heard anything negative about them, so go and ask for a test ride, if you like it, and it sounds good and rides well, then you've bagged yourself a good deal*.

Check whether it's got an FSH - for a bike that's a year old, that shouldn't be a big ask, but it will be worth knowing about if it's had a lot of miles put on it.

*Pending a strong haggling session, thanks for Polarbear's link to a properly cheap new one.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
a 2011 plate!! It shouldn't have rust, pitted forks etc. Laughing


and yet its STILL worth checking for rust and pitting. less i remind you of the hammer 8 thread?
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
a 2011 plate!! It shouldn't have rust, pitted forks etc. Laughing


and yet its STILL worth checking for rust and pitting. less i remind you of the hammer 8 thread?


OK - quick general lesson for you. American bikes are traditionally allergic to UK weather, because they don't do precipitation over there, and they definitely don't do road salt. The level of finish on Japanese bikes can typically be ranked (from worst to best) as Suzuki, Kawasaki*, Yamaha* and Honda, in that order. They're significantly tougher than that Victory was, because Japan's just as good at heavy rain as the UK is.

Until you have some idea as to what you're on about, you're not in a position to argue the point.


*Some people may contend that these two should be swapped over, but I'm basing it on my experience of them.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

excuse me?

okay so apart from preperation for road treatment or our weather your still not accounting for previous owners doing things to the paintwork/chrome/forks or manufacturing defects.

there is NOTHING wrong with looking for rust on a 1 year old bike or pitting in the chrome/forks.

frankly its something that you SHOULD be looking for regardless of the age of the bike.

if you dont them fool on you for taking things at face value.

whats your problem anyway? always looking to degrade anything i post for the sheer sake of it! its good advice to check for these things, if you get in the habbit of doing a THOROUGH check from buying your first bike your more likely to check the same things for your second bike which might be considerably older.

again, check for rust and pitting, it doesnt hurt to check and should be checked.


edit: instead of down rating your post, i actually rated it as informative for the quality part.

but do NOT assume to degrade things i say purely because you dont like me.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Such a fucking dickhead.

Less typing, more reading.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would apologise, but it'd be disingenuous. You've purchased a single Chinese 125, proceeded to bugger it up, and now feel that you're in a position to speak with any kind of authority on purchasing a much more complex, and much better-built bike.

You have no experience to draw upon, minimal knowledge to back up your statements, and are generally an inappropriately inflammatory member who manages to attract contention and ire with every single post; only to blame it on everyone else. Might I suggest that you actually examine the content of your own posts first, before deciding that the rest of the world is to blame? you seem to be the only common element in all of this.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

your the one who decided to turn around and state that checking for something as simple and common as rust or pitting is bad advice.

you know what, do what ever you want, i'll do what i want, im more than happy to look at a brand new bike and check for rust or pitting.

at least i will know its there or where its beginning to form.

if you get injured or die because you trusted something that takes 30 seconds to look for, its not my fault.

whats that old saying?

oh right..

better safe than sorry.

now shut up and just agree theres no reason NOT to check, which is what this is all about. you dont like me, you degrade my post, yet its actually good advice.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
now shut up and just agree theres no reason NOT to check, which is what this is all about. you dont like me, you degrade my post, yet its actually good advice.

Laughing

Just because the Chinese think that it's OK to sell a bike that's got a silver-painted scaffold pole for a stanchion, it doesn't automatically equate to the Japanese doing the same. if anything, the Japanese know how metallurgy works, and have gotten very, very good at it.

As for there being a reason not to check; it's less than 18 months old. If Japanese bikes started suffering after 18 months to any significant degree, do you really reckon they'd have the dominant position in the world's motorcycle market that they do today?

Notice how I've only given you negative karma for the posts that are directed vitriol; for everything else, I've managed to maintain a civil debate, as opposed to saying such wondrously funny things as 'now shut up and just agree', which is by far and away the most absurdly funny thing I have seen on here in years.

More to the point, the chances of my dying due to some maintenance issue is distinctly lower than the chances of you writing yourself off for the same reason, because I actually know how to service my bikes, and made a point of learning from the people people on here, as opposed to telling them repeatedly that they're all wrong.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not good advice UW, it's completely redundant.

The best one is check for the MOT Laughing On a 1 year old bike!

The problem is you're posting this to a newb who takes it as gospel.

There's nothing wrong with being uninformed on a particular subject; most intelligent people will admitt to not being proficient in something, but not knowing something and posting inane shite is stupid, pointless, and gets on people's nerves.

TL;DR? Shut the fuck up.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

admitedly the MOT part is a stupid point actually.

i dont give a crap about the rest of the post, its the rust and chrome/fork pitting that you seem to care most about.

TLDR: you cant even admit then checking for those 3 little things is worth checking.

i give up with you, sometimes your alright, other times you can be a real asshole for no reason. you have a real god-complex sometimes.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
your the one who decided to turn around and state that checking for something as simple and common as rust or pitting is bad advice.

you know what, do what ever you want, i'll do what i want, im more than happy to look at a brand new bike and check for rust or pitting.

at least i will know its there or where its beginning to form.

if you get injured or die because you trusted something that takes 30 seconds to look for, its not my fault.

whats that old saying?

oh right..

better safe than sorry.

now shut up and just agree theres no reason NOT to check, which is what this is all about. you dont like me, you degrade my post, yet its actually good advice.

He's not saying that you buffoon. He's saying that it's most likely not even on the scale of things to worry about with a year old bike from a quality manufacturer. The likes of which YOU haven't owned and thus aren't exactly over-qualified to have weighty opinions on.

The bike most likely will be immaculate. Asking whether the heated grips have a relay on (cos, derrrrr, I dunno, like, some internet bloke told me to ask it?!) will probably make the dealer laugh his ass right off his bumcrack.

People come on this forum looking for advice. The advice you give is frankly, and in fact, laughable - I know because I laugh at it. I don't see why this chap has to sift crap answers before getting some solid advice just because the keyboard-finger squits-fairy has let go all over the forum again.

Hope this clears the situation up. Thumbs Up

And - I'm not going to downrate your posts because I'm bigger than that, karma has a funny way of putting things right.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

funny that, for all the threads about heated grips draining batteries or threads asking abou them and the advice being "install them on a relay", it seems a reasonable thing to ask.

no dealer is going to laugh about it. its a fair and simple question.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
i give up with you, sometimes your alright, other times you can be a real asshole for no reason. you have a real god-complex sometimes.

No, I just respect competence. If you make a point of not displaying it, I will treat you like you're an idiot. Simple as that.
As for no dealer laughing at it, how many dealers have you bought bikes from, might I ask?

UnknownStuntman - the 'keyboard finger-squits fairy' utterly slew me. Pure genius Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
funny that, for all the threads about heated grips draining batteries or threads asking abou them and the advice being "install them on a relay", it seems a reasonable thing to ask.

no dealer is going to laugh about it. its a fair and simple question.


Why not get in touch with the factory to make sure they're fitting them right, like you've read on the internet?

Think you'll find there's a difference between factory fitted heated grips as I suspect these are and heatpads bought from Ebay.

And that's the first thing you'd ask is it?

Not surprised your bike's fucked.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bought from? none, been into several different one on more than enough times to see whats around and spent enough hours talking with them to know.

that said, i've always made it clear that i wasnt there to buy but to see whats around. it is only fair to them.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really, really not the same experience at all, I promise you.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont doubt it. but still. im not wasting anymore time on this.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
funny that, for all the threads about heated grips draining batteries or threads asking abou them and the advice being "install them on a relay", it seems a reasonable thing to ask.

no dealer is going to laugh about it. its a fair and simple question.


But would you not buy a bike from the dealer because the grips aren't wired through a relay?

Yes: you're wrong.
No: Well then why ask it?

Installing grips yourself through a relay is stupidly simple and takes very little time to do. Buying a bike it's the last thing that I would worry about.

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How about some better advice for the OP:

Sitting on the bike to make sure that he's comfortable on it

Making sure that he can see through the mirrors properly without his shoulders blocking them, if not trying to blag a pair of mirror extenders out of the dealer

Checking the condition of the fairings to make sure that it hasn't been dropped and got scrapes/cracks on the fairings

Checking the miles to make sure that they're reasonable for a bike of that age

Checking the chain/sprockets condition; poor chain and sprockets on a new (<1 year old bike) would show that the owner previously hadn't taken care of it properly

Checking whether the bike is restricted if he needs it; if not blagging a free restriction from the dealer

Etc.

Heated grips would be the last thing to worry me. If it's got them, good times, it saves me buying them. I can rewire them if necessary.
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