If I was designing a learner 125...

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Just thinking of what'd make a decent learner/commuter 125 and a few ideas came to mind.

1.
Large frame for road presence. Frame capable of 250/400 engine too. Thinking Varadero or Hysoung Comet for inspiration.

2.
Built in crash bars. Indicators not part of the plastics. Tank not to be an impact point if dropped/slid.
It's a learner 125, it is going to be dropped. So why increase the cost of repair and getting replacement plastics.

3.
Did thing shaft drive for maintenance but not really practical on 125.
So if it uses a chain then make it a fully enclosed guard like the old CG. This would mean chain runs in a bit of an oil bath so helps keep crud off it and helps longer life.
Failing that then look at using a belt, like an old BMW F650 model.

4.
Screen and hand guard protection. Aids to riding comfort. Possibly heated grips as factory fit option for the commuter market.

5.
Luggage fitments as standard, again for the commuter market. So that's rack for top box and maybe points for panniers.

6.
A more upright riding position. Thinking CG, YBR and Varadero for inspiration. Suits commuter market and makes it an easier learner bike for negotiating/filtering in traffic.
However sporty appears to sell so maybe faired option like the Hyosung Comet GT125 and the GT125R variants.

As said just some thoughts.
Be interested in the ideas and thoughts of others.


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[fozzym]

You got too much time on your hands dude!

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well, the downside to one of your points,

a larger frame = more weight which reduces the top speed.

probably not by much but these 125 engines dont have much....gumpf.
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[P.addy]

Sounds like you want this.

https://www.motorcycleinfo.co.uk/resources/6795/assets/images/BMW%20R1200GS/Featured/van_harten/vanharten_modified_bmw_r1200gs.jpg

Now with a small 125cc

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[Frost]

If i were designing a 125 i'd take something like a ybr or CG then make it look like an R6 / VFR. That way it'd be cheap to buy and look fast.

[WetAndCold]

What you're suggesting sounds awfully practical.

I would make something like the yzf125r but much cheaper if I could.

17 - ~23 year old's would buy it.

BOOM. profit.
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[MarJay]

Congratulations. You've just built a hugely heavy 12bhp 125. Its top speed will be approximately 17mph.

No bonus.
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Hi

There are plenty of 125 bikes that people can buy with their heads rather than their hearts. Many buy with their hearts though.

All the best

Keith
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[symonh2000]

If it was me, I would make it possible for it to be de-restricted. So that once your test was passed you wouldn't have to be in such a rush to sell it.

(Just like they used to be in the old days)
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[temeluchus]

Wasn't the yamaha townmate shaft drive?
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[Teflon-Mike]

Hmmm.. upright riding position, presence of a bigger bike, decent handling like a sports bike, four stroke ecconomy, but some screaming little engine that can deliver a bit of two-stroke like fun..... convenience of an electric start? Good brakes?

You have just described that 1982 Honda CB125 'Super-Dream'...

Add hand-guards, crash-bars, luggage rack, top box & heated grips....

You have just described Snowie's 'Pup'!

https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/XX-Forum%20Posts/101_0043.jpg

Seriousely; when Honda designed the '82 125 Super-Dream, they set them selves a tough remit. They expected it to sell in the numbers the old 250N did, but they wanted to address the critics that said that the 250 was a 'bit lardy', and take the two-stroke sports bikes on head to head on performance.

They gave it state of the art monoshock rear suspension; advanced twin piston front brake, and that little twin pot four stroke engine, packing 12,000rpm two-stroke power, but four stroke mid-range with twin pot smoothness...... electric start and 12v electrics put it technically ahead of most of the competition, but on the road, it was as close as you could get to the universal Learner-Bike, ofering as much of everythiung any-one could want.

ONE big problem with it. It was too expensive.

They were flogging surplus stock for four years after the thing went out of serial production!

Bottom line though is, that if there was no incentive to buy a 125 from licencing laws, few would bother to either make them, or buy them.

Costs damn near as much to make a bike, irrespective of how mig the pistons are........

Meanwhile; shaft drive 125? Yamaha Town-Mate. Think that they also used the same transmission in the PW50 & PW80. Belt Drive? Take your pick from any of the variator scooters out there.

But in the spirit of the Fantacy Legue: If I were to design a 125?

A 'lightweight' Sachs style trellis frame, around an air-cooled reed-valve two-stroke single, with posi-lube for user freindliness. Simple cantilever mono-shock rear suspension, or traditional twin-shocks. Disc front brake. 12v Electrics, and an all-up weight under 100Kg, but full quota of 14.5bhp.

Could then be dressed out as Commuter, Sports-bike, cafe racer, flat-tracker, motard, or trail bike with different 'cloths'.
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The problem I see here is that you're making an even more expensive but boring looking comet.
People seem to buy the comet purely because it's big/sporty. Male it overly utilitarian and I doubt enough will be asking bank of daddy.

Also, a big heavy bike is a bad idea for a lot of new riders, as well as a lot of people generally .

For selling bikes - I'd tend to agree with Marjay. I've actually wondered if there's any business in taking an r6 with a blown engine and sticking a 50/125cc engine in there. Probably weigh no more than a Comet, but be 'better' in many way.
Of course, still end up pretty expensive for the time/money used; especially considering just taking the old bike apart and selling the parts.

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[lilredmachine]

I've often thought that an MZ RT 125 would make an excellent commuter, regardless of whether you are 17 or not.

CG style bike, but massively updated with decent size tires, brakes, a 15hp (always pisses me off when you are limited to 14.6hp but no one bothers making an engine with more than 11 ) DOHC liquid cooled motor with a 6 speed 'box.

https://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5516/mzrtpt1.jpg

I had an MZ SM 125 (same running gear in a supermoto frame) and it was awesome.
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