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krarkol
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: CBR250RR Reply with quote

Are there any of these left? I've never seen any for sale online unless outside the UK and I spoke to a dealership who said they are pretty much impossible to get hold of now.

I've got a soft spot for them as lad used to have one when I was 5-6 in '97-'98 and I remember every morning when I was setting off for school he'd come flying past and shoot off into the distance sounding like a screaming F1 car Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hens teeth.

So hard, there was one locally that was up for 2900. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh, that's a bummer!

I was hoping one would be a possibility after passing the test but there's no way I could afford or would want to pay that much for a first bike, especially a used one Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since selling my broken ZXR250 ive hunted to find another and havnt seen the same model since! This was back in 2005!

Makes me wish i hadnt sold it for £450 Laughing

Id love one as a project as it was my first bike. That, and a 21k red line was fun Wink
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saying that ive just had a look and there is indeed a C model on ebay! Its up for 1k with a reserve thats not met and no bids though.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was an MC22 on ebay a week ago that went for £1200, but they're mostly MC19s that appear for £1000-1500 or more and either way they're very thin on the ground in any state.

I think you'd end up getting all your spare parts from Ozland where due to their 250cc limit they're popular as learner bikes. If I had the money (and space!) I'd grab one just for the awesome factor.

2011 CBR250"R" = LOL Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta love the older 250's though, had more character! Now they're just faired commuters Sad

I feel pretty much the same about most sports bikes really though, if I was gonna get a GSXR it would be the SRAD or if I was going to get a fireblade i'd go for the '98 model, R1 would be the '98 model and zxr6/9 would be the '97 models. They're just what I grew up with and IMO the era where they where managing to squeeze more and more power out of these small compact bike engines Laughing

ThoughtControl, not bad prices really but yeah it's more the kinda bike you'd get as a collectors item nowadays Laughing and I agree with the whole naming system Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They're just what I grew up with and IMO the era where they where managing to squeeze more and more power out of these small compact bike engines Laughing


It's the era before the Eco-kitten factor came into play. All modern bikes are strangled and will be even more strangled in the future by emissions and other legislation. Grab your classic bikes and enjoy them while you can as I don't think the future looks at all rosey for powerful old school IL4 screamers or V twin blasters. They want you on safe, silent, dull smells of roses bikes, or better still from their POV no bike at all, unless it has pedals and you're hi-vizzed to death. Better get the bus or train with all the other zombies. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know! Will be along way off before I will be able to hop onto something like a 90's fireblade due to age, insurance and the fact I aint even got a full licence yet! Laughing

Hopefully they'll still be around! Bikes in the last 10 years IMO just all look bland and lack character. When I say bland, I do think they look smart but they all look the same, whereas in the 90's each of the big 4 had their own styles and designs. The last of the unique good looking bikes IMO were probably the 02-03 era before they all ended up looking like they do now. Razz
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with you on this. After bikes went all angular I lost interest. They're far better machines but seem to have lost all character.

I'm more into 80s bikes for the same reason that you like 90s bikes. When I was a kid, my uncle had a brand new gpz900 and I used to think that it looked like streethawk. Then he bought a slabby gsxr1100 and I thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever seen.

New bikes are so boring looking
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yup, all modern bikes look the same which makes them boring. They do look smart but also appear a bit chavvy to me Laughing

All these electronic stuff now also seems to bring it down a bit, just the thought of controlling a big torquey engine strapped to a wheel gets me all excited but having tons of electrics in between to help control it just wouldn't give me the same satisfaction. Safer? yes, but we don't ride bikes to be safe Razz
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to own an MC22 it was my first bike and I actually regret selling it now. I had a look on askMID the other day and found that it doesn't show up as insured. I hope that doesn't mean its been scrapped I would love to find it and buy it back again. A proper little screamer it was 19k RPM madness.

A picture of mine:

https://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f295/simonbrown16/cbr250mc22.jpg

One major problem with that bike was getting parts for it was horrendously expensive.

Side note does any one have any good idea to find out if the bike is still on the road or who may own it? Long shot I know given the data protection act.

The modern "CBR250R" can sod right off an insult to the memory of the beast. Razz
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put the reg in here - https://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/app/enquiry?execution=e1s1

See if it has been taxed or SORN recently.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine:

https://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1013/imag0038mq.jpg

https://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1371/imag0039nc.jpg

https://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8951/imag0040vi.jpg

Incredible bikes, true 120mph performance, redline at 19,000 but ignition cut out on mine was spooky side of 20,500. Light as anything and sweet handling.

I know why there is nothing like them these days, because the expense of producing them would be excessive.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah thanks for that, it doesn't look very promising here. I assume that date of liability means when the tax was last due? and given that it says the vehicle status is unlicensed I can also assume that it is also untaxed...poor baby

https://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f295/simonbrown16/Capture1.jpg

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PostPosted: 19:37 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh wow! they look in great nick!

my guess is that it's rotting away at the back of someones garage/shed Sad shame really, i'd love to have a go on one
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally agree with the age thing, below is a picture of my next bike, looks almost identical to the 250:

https://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/559526_536601113020918_1646107556_n.jpg

Apologies for the shit pick Wink
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

krarkol wrote:
I was hoping one would be a possibility after passing the test

krarkol wrote:
yup, all modern bikes look the same which makes them boring. They do look smart but also appear a bit chavvy to me Laughing

All these electronic stuff now also seems to bring it down a bit, just the thought of controlling a big torquey engine strapped to a wheel gets me all excited but having tons of electrics in between to help control it just wouldn't give me the same satisfaction. Safer? yes, but we don't ride bikes to be safe Razz

Get your licence, ride one, and then tell me that modern bikes are boring! Also, not all modern bikes are drowned in electronics. The CBR1000RR doesn't have traction control, merely optional ABS. And a very very good ABS system at that.

Also, how can you say a 90's bike is better than a modern one because "modern bikes are strangled". Sure new bikes might have huge cat's fitted to them, but they're still making stupendous power compared to 90's machines. It also means there's an easy way to get even more power! Just swap the exhaust system and you've instantly lost a few kilos and gained some power. And probably also lost a grand or more.

But with all that in mind, there are quite a lot of old bike that I would love to own, or even just have a go on. If I win the lottery I will need a pretty big garage! An MC22 is on my lottery list. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I said they all look the same which makes them boring, not that they are boring too ride Wink I'm sure I would enjoy riding any modern bikes, it's just the style of the 90's and early 00's appeal to me more Razz

It also wasn't me that said they are strangled, as you've already said, I wouldn't know...although I have had a go on an '07 R1 on a private road, I'm used to the power of a 125 and for all I know the R1 could have only been putting out 33bhp Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also, how can you say a 90's bike is better than a modern one because "modern bikes are strangled". Sure new bikes might have huge cat's fitted to them, but they're still making stupendous power compared to 90's machines.


Compared to what 90's bike?

A brand new, off the production line R1 is quoted as having 180bhp from the factory. Meaning a specific output of 180hp/litre.

A 1990 CBR250RR is quoted as having 45hp from the factory. Meaning a specific output of, er, 180hp/litre.

So fuel injection, exotic materials and 22 years of research and development have yielded precisely naff all. Other, perhaps, than a cleaner running motor.

And, re uploaded a really old video of mine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HBEHZzckkM&feature=youtube_gdata
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

krarkol wrote:
It also wasn't me that said they are strangled, as you've already said, I wouldn't know...although I have had a go on an '07 R1 on a private road, I'm used to the power of a 125 and for all I know the R1 could have only been putting out 33bhp Laughing

Apologies, I realise you didn't make that comment, but the poor ordering of my post makes it look like that part was aimed at you. My bad. I bet jumping on an R1 from a 125 blew your socks off!

I quite like a lot of 90's bikes, even some of the ones with horrendous shell-suit paint jobs. Sick Laughing
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A brand new, off the production line R1 is quoted as having 180bhp from the factory. Meaning a specific output of 180hp/litre.

A 1990 CBR250RR is quoted as having 45hp from the factory. Meaning a specific output of, er, 180hp/litre.

So fuel injection, exotic materials and 22 years of research and development have yielded precisely naff all. Other, perhaps, than a cleaner running motor.

Interesting point you make there. Even so, I don't think there were any (or many?) 180bhp production bikes around back then.

Also, an R1 is more like 156bhp. (Figure taken from "Bike").
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not a problem mate Very Happy

yeah the R1 sure did! I had visions of me just touching the throttle and the bike firing out from under me or me firing off uncontrollably into the distance on the back wheel but I just treated it carefully and it was quite manageable Laughing was on a large quiet road though, would love to have taken it round some twisties Laughing

The shellsuit paint schemes are what makes them 90's bikes! Wink Nothing like a bright green and purple ninja to remind you of the good old days is there! Mr. Green

lilredmachine, they do sound amazing, especially when echoing through the tree's on an early summer morning! shame they sound like they are going a lot faster than they really are Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a great video, but my god the sound of that thing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FMvlKyLx6M
Tis a shame it's being abused, by those motors don't half scream!
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's probably the reason they are rare! Laughing

Think the closest I've heard to them though is R6's, depending on what can they are using
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 21 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:
Not a great video, but my god the sound of that thing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FMvlKyLx6M
Tis a shame it's being abused, by those motors don't half scream!


It was that video that made me buy one. Wink I found mine for £1200 just over the water in gosport. Bit of cleaning and a bit of TLC and it came up like in the pics i posted. In the end I was scared of using it, and I sold it to my sister for £2000, on the basis she never sells it to anyone, other than back to me. Laughing

They are hens teeth rare, and my (well, sisters now) bike had one of the last 2 sets of NOS headers Honda Japan had in stock at the time, David Silver sourced them for me. Parts are becoming scarce over here, you can source them from OZ if you want to pay postage...

These little motors are nearly unburstable. What with gear driven cams and blueprinting to withstand the massive rpms from the factory, they go on for ever.
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