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1.2 million are willing to take on £9k of student fees a year? O_o
The only University offering that comes close to being worth doing financially is a Ph.D, but even so you're only looking at ~£13.5k salary, assuming you can get funded at all! Of course when you consider the workload involved for Ph.D in Engineering/Sciences/Maths, and the sh1t you'll likely have to put up with whilst doing it, it too is hardly worth it. |
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Yes, you've obviously benefited from your time at university and have avoided the common trap of becoming a pompous snob who looks down on the oiks who don't have a degree.
Oh, wait......
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If you are not a Pr Eng you are not an engineer. A technician maybe, but not an engineer. |
I guess that's a regional institution, in the UK I suppose the equivalent is a CEng (chartered engineer).
However, from memory that typically involves a degree + a master degree + experience.
My Grandfather was a CEng, but IIRC he never had a degree - what he did have was years of relevant experience (working for Rolls Royce, for example). However, this is going back a fair few years, and requirements seem to change regularly.
It might be worth noting, that some of the most famous engineers had little to no formal education, and certainly didn't have qualifications - I'm talking about the likes of Watt, Stephenson(s), Locke, Trevithick, Telford etc.
Were they engineers, or merely technicians?
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| Kradmelder wrote: | | Nexus Icon wrote: | Not at all. I just hate it that anyone who handles a spanner nowadays gets called an engineer while I've worked bloody hard for the privilege. |
If you are not a Pr Eng you are not an engineer. A technician maybe, but not an engineer. Any more than a medic is a Doctor. |
Depends on the country! In the UK Engineer has a fairly broad meaning. It is possible to be a Chartered Engineer (CEng), but it's quite a long process, some people think it's useless, some think it's great. Those who have it either did the exams before they were abolished or just picked it up as part of a corporate training scheme. Engineering in the true sense isn't really about qualifications or titles, but rather by what you do, which should be the application of theory to design solutions to physical problems.
| mistergixer wrote: | | Kradmelder wrote: |
If you are not a Pr Eng you are not an engineer. A technician maybe, but not an engineer. |
I guess that's a regional institution, in the UK I suppose the equivalent is a CEng (chartered engineer).
However, from memory that typically involves a degree + a master degree + experience.
My Grandfather was a CEng, but IIRC he never had a degree - what he did have was years of relevant experience (working for Rolls Royce, for example). However, this is going back a fair few years, and requirements seem to change regularly.
It might be worth noting, that some of the most famous engineers had little to no formal education, and certainly didn't have qualifications - I'm talking about the likes of Watt, Stephenson(s), Locke, Trevithick, Telford etc.
Were they engineers, or merely technicians? |
CEng, IMO, is effectively a title to certify you have spent time working as a middle manager in Engineering in a large company. It's heavily weighted towards work experience, not academic qualifications. You can do just the masters and a pre-course of about 2 or 3 months to meet the academic requirements. Alternatively with a HND you can write a report on why you are good enough, though you need a couple years more experience with that route. Given that you'd have had to hold down the job for 5 years, the CEng probably isn't going to add much. |
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Pr Eng here is a licence ot practice. You cant sign off or sell yourself as an engineer without it. It has to do with liabilities.
You only need an undergrad, then a certain number of years apprenticeship under a Pr Eng. It involves exams and practical assignments showing you have mastered the basic qualifications of engineering (outside the theory stuff of varsity).
Without the Pr Eng, you cannot sign off engineering work. It is the same as the Bar for lawyers and the licence for Drs, or a CA for accountants. A degree isnt enough. You need peer reviewed credentials.
It is to protect the industry and ensure substandard people dont start undermining the ethics and standards of the industry. Would you want someone with a dubious piece of paper showing he has done uni theory, or even none at all, designing the roof of some public place, or someone who has shown credibility and knowledge to his peers?
| Quote: | The Engineering Profession Act, 2000, (Act 46 of 2000) as well as other Acts provide for the reservation of work of an engineering nature for the exclusive performance by registered persons. While compulsory registration under Act 46 of 2000 is still being developed, examples of work reservation in terms of other legislation can be found in :
•National Water Act, 1998 (Act 36 of 1998) (section 11(7)) - in terms of which an approved professional person must be "approved" before being permitted to undertake certain dam safety related tasks;
•National Building Regulations and Building Standards Act, 1977 and regulations, in terms of which a "competent person" is defined as a person registered with ECSA;
•Lifts, Escalators and Passenger Conveyor Regulations promulgated in terms of the Occupational Health and Safety Act, 1993. |
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