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Which insurer is it?
There will be a page in the booklet they sent you with the cancellation charges and all that jazz explained. But every insurer I've ever known of takes a good chunk off any refund after 6 months, and after about 9 months you tend to get nothing back if you cancel. Reason being; you're committing to a 12 month contract, there are penalties for leaving sooner.
I've even heard people not only getting nothing back, but being charged an admin fee to cancel  |
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If you cancel within 14 days, you should only end up paying pro-rata plus the reasonable costs of setting up the policy, and not a "cancellation fee". Note the use of "should".
After that, all bets are off. It comes down to what it says in your contract, and ultimately whether the Financial Ombudsman or a court would find that it's fair enough to be enforced. Bearing in mind that they've already got your money though, the pitch is somewhat tilted.
Lots of people get screwed by this - I rather suspect that it's how many insurers actually make their money these days.
| corrsfan wrote: | had to cancel it having had my bike (changed bikes) for 4 months, £85 cancellation fee on top of the skewed pro rata thing, and they were very insistant about the returning of the cover note. |
Eh. That's sadly pretty standard. Returning the certificate of insurance is required by law, but that's criminal law, not civil, it's not their business. And you can simply make a "statutory declaration" that it's been lost or destroyed. Heck, you can simply make a statutory declaration that you made a statutory declaration, and it's Interpretation Act 1978 to the rescue.
I'm surprised that you had to cancel your eBike policy, they've been great with me about changing, adding and removing bikes from mine. I've never paid them a penny in admin fees for chopping and changing. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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When I was younger and more stupid and impulsive, I got screwed over more than few times changing / cancelling insurance when I wanted, nay needed a 'different' bike. In total I probably paid 3 months wages in cancellation and admin 'fees' before it hit me like a brick to the forehead, always read the T&C's and small print. Be a bit more patient and keep the bike just a bit longer to get what you have paid for in insurance cover and the years NCB.
That is before you think about the loss of NCB affecting future premiums and you get screwed again for your stupidity. Buy bike, take out insurance and stick with it for 12 months to get your NCB, especially if you are young / new to biking. If your insurer will let you chop and change for free or a fair fee, great. But many don't. |
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Well it turns out cancellation fee is £35 and I should get the 6 months I havn't used refunded entirely. I guess that's another reason to pay your insurance upfront in full if you can.
I will just have to not get my NCB  |
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That's astonishing! Who is that with? Name and praise. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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I had to pay £100 just to change my fuckin address with MCE  ____________________ Fzr-600 1999 |
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I never pay in full because I never have a bike for a year.
I get so many different bikes insurers don't usually allow me to swap them over  |
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Would not recommend RAC, who use Devitt insurance.
Actual insurer was Equity Red Star.
Bought on 6 September 2012.
Cancelled on 21 October 2012 for new bike (existing could not be got through MOT).
So just over 6 weeks (46 days).
Cost £304.94
Getting back £115.10 (or about 37.74% of initial cost)
So lost £189.84 (or 62.76% of initial cost)
There is a £50 cancel fee, £25.99 lost for legal cover (it's tied with the policy I thought it was just legal cover for the person so transferable) and a charge of 37.5% of premium for cancelling early so about £113.85 to make the maths right.
The quote for the new bike (Varadero XL125V 2003) via Devitt with Equity Red Star was £774 (+ pennies). Got quote via Tesco compare on their deal of the day via Just Motorcycle Insurance (a new one to me) also with Equity Red Star for £387 (+ pennies).
Pays to shop around and use as many compare and direct sites as possible. FWIW quote without deal of the day discount was also shown on thebikeinsurer comparison site.
HTH  ____________________ ...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
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What gets me is this:
When I get my full licence, I'll call them, tell them, and it won't change a thing about my quote. Specially since I paid for the year upfront. So I'll be insured as a learner rider, even if I have a full licence, until the insurance expires.
However, if I call to to tell them I've got a bigger bike, they'll be more than happy to play with the numbers then! To get more money!
Also, the thing about them being insistent on having the cover note actually posted back to them. Another piece of financial institutional bullshit just to string you out and make the cancellation take longer so you're on the policy for longer.
I fucking hate financial institutions. I hate every single industry that makes money through money. Banking, insurance, lending, investment, etc. Makes no fucking sense. |
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| arry wrote: | It's a legal document, and it's important it's returned. |
It's the law, but it's not important.
The law also says that we're not covered before we've actually received a certificate of insurance in some form. Is anyone bothered by that?
Oh, the law also says that it's a crime to exceed a posted speed limit, right?
| arry wrote: | you'll not get done over. |
Every year, insurers send me something purporting to be a "certificate of insurance" along with the "for your convenience, we will auto renew your insurance for £RISIBLE money". Every year I tell them to get fucked because of their Loyalty Penalty, and every year they tell me to return the purported "certificate", or else.
Every year I laugh and ignore them.
When am I going to get "done over"?
Who's going to be prosecuting me? Not a top priority for the Procurator Fiscal, I think. Is an insurer going spend their own money to bring a private prosecution?
On the scale of things that bother me, it ranks right between "Crab People uprising" and "Space Lizard invasion". ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | arry wrote: | It's a legal document, and it's important it's returned. |
It's the law, but it's not important....Every year, insurers send me something purporting to be a "certificate of insurance" along with the "for your convenience, we will auto renew your insurance for £RISIBLE money". Every year I tell them to get fucked because of their Loyalty Penalty, and every year they tell me to return the purported "certificate", or else.
Every year I laugh and ignore them.... |
Ok, I must be having a senior moment.
I can see the need to return/destroy a certificate that's been cancelled/changed/revoked/whatever. This would stop you waiving it in front of the police and saying go away (or words to that effect).
However, I cannot see any point in returning an expired certificate. In fact I cannot recall ever being asked to do so. ____________________ ...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
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| Rogerborg wrote: |
It's the law, but it's not important.
The law also says that we're not covered before we've actually received a certificate of insurance in some form. Is anyone bothered by that?
Oh, the law also says that it's a crime to exceed a posted speed limit, right? |
I didn't say it's the law that it's returned, merely that it's a legal document and that it's important it's returned. It's certainly important for the insurer, and reinsurer as it happens, as whilst the certificate is still out there and can be produced / hasn't been signed for as lost/destroyed their liability is ongoing, hence the cancellation comes into force after the certificate is returned / signed for as destroyed.
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Every year, insurers send me something purporting to be a "certificate of insurance" along with the "for your convenience, we will auto renew your insurance for £RISIBLE money". Every year I tell them to get fucked because of their Loyalty Penalty, and every year they tell me to return the purported "certificate", or else.
Every year I laugh and ignore them.
When am I going to get "done over"?
Who's going to be prosecuting me? Not a top priority for the Procurator Fiscal, I think. Is an insurer going spend their own money to bring a private prosecution?
On the scale of things that bother me, it ranks right between "Crab People uprising" and "Space Lizard invasion". |
And that's fair enough. Personally I find it implausible that you people always seem to find the insurers who auto renew - you know what, in 13 years of motorised joy I've never once had a policy that auto-renews. Maybe I'm just a one off special case  |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 340 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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