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3chords
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 24 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reversed into: Insurance questions Reply with quote

Long time lurker posting when it suits him. Any response greatly received.

My bike was knocked over whilst parked and I was wondering about a few things:

I have a fancy exhaust that is now scratched. The exhaust has not been declared to my insurers. Can I still claim on it (I'm assuming everything will be paid out by the other party's insurers!)?

Can I claim for my train fare while the bike's out if action? Riding to work is about £10 cheaper per day than the train.

Kindest regards, xx
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 24 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Reversed into: Insurance questions Reply with quote

3chords wrote:
Long time lurker posting when it suits him. Any response greatly received.

My bike was knocked over whilst parked and I was wondering about a few things:

I have a fancy exhaust that is now scratched. The exhaust has not been declared to my insurers. Can I still claim on it (I'm assuming everything will be paid out by the other party's insurers!)?

Can I claim for my train fare while the bike's out if action? Riding to work is about £10 cheaper per day than the train.

Kindest regards, xx


Exhaust yes. Train yes I'd guess.

I claimed for a taxi home from my accident even though it was walking distance. Until they sort you out with a courtesy bike there shouldn't be any problems atleast. Have they not given you details for your solicitor / legal protection peeps? Ping 'em an email to check.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 24 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greatly received?

Yeah that or something.
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just spoke to my insurance and was asked if the bike has any mods. I said no then asked hypothetically what the case would be if I did have a few non-standard bits. I was told dryly that they could invalidate my insurance.

Stuff that's non-standard [hypothetically]:

Carbon GP can
Double bubble screen
Flush front indicators
Stickers [I remember a thread on insurers claiming that these needed to be declared!]
Crash bungs

I then asked whether mods would be an issue as I wouldn't be claiming on my insurance. I didn't really get an answer. Only that they cover the bike in it's standard trim.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

3chords wrote:
Just spoke to my insurance and was asked if the bike has any mods. I said no then asked hypothetically what the case would be if I did have a few non-standard bits. I was told dryly that they could invalidate my insurance.

Stuff that's non-standard [hypothetically]:

Carbon GP can
Double bubble screen
Flush front indicators
Stickers [I remember a thread on insurers claiming that these needed to be declared!]
Crash bungs

I then asked whether mods would be an issue as I wouldn't be claiming on my insurance. I didn't really get an answer. Only that they cover the bike in it's standard trim.


It doesn't have loads to do with your own insurance. You'll be claiming from the TP via a solicitor, yeah?
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

3chords wrote:
Just spoke to my insurance and was asked if the bike has any mods. I said no then asked hypothetically what the case would be if I did have a few non-standard bits..


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PostPosted: 10:28 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You won't be claiming off your own insurance, so any mods are a non-issue.

You are legally entitled to have your bike repaired to it's previous condition, including the replacement of any mods, at the place of your choosing.

The contract with your own insurance company is none of their business. I don't even know why you spoke to your insurance company tbh. It should be 100% dealt with via the 3rd party insurer, unless there is an issue with blame and you may want your bike repairing on your own policy.
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do care.

I had different exhaust, different wheels and a paint job on my car when someone hit me.

They charged me extra for not disclosing that info.

When I crashed my GS500, the insurance paid out but did not pay out for the front fairing that had been put on there as I did not declare it, thus it wasn't covered as I wasn't paying the price for having it fitted.

So, take that as you will.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback. Facepalm nuttin'.

Would the general consensus be just to try and claim on everything [including zorst etc.] and then see what happens?
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
I had different exhaust, different wheels and a paint job on my car when someone hit me.

They charged me extra for not disclosing that info.

Who "they"?

Was blame contested and your insurer had to get involved? Caught you at it and demanded more money in order to not void your policy?

If some spacker reversed into me, I wouldn't even tell my insurer. Why would I, it's got nothing to do with them.
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

3chords wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. Facepalm nuttin'.

Would the general consensus be just to try and claim on everything [including zorst etc.] and then see what happens?


If youre claiming straight off a third partys insurance then you should be fine but having hinted to your insurers that you may have mods ( in a roundabout way) they will almost certainly have put a little note on your file so that if there is a claim against your policy it is something they will look into and could potentially nulify any claim.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFAIK insurance companies speak with one another anyway. Fault will always be contested if both vehicles were moving.

I would be checking the insurance clauses anyway.

But my insurance charged me the additional premium.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepuma wrote:
3chords wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. Facepalm nuttin'.

Would the general consensus be just to try and claim on everything [including zorst etc.] and then see what happens?


If youre claiming straight off a third partys insurance then you should be fine but having hinted to your insurers that you may have mods ( in a roundabout way) they will almost certainly have put a little note on your file so that if there is a claimagainst your policy it is something they will look into and could potentially nulify any claim.


I'm not too fussed. If I got into a claim that was my fault I'd either have the chance to change the exhaust etc. back to standard or not [depending on the circumstances]. Them having a note on file won't really make a difference.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Reversed into: Insurance questions Reply with quote

3chords wrote:
Long time lurker posting when it suits him. Any response greatly received.

My bike was knocked over whilst parked and I was wondering about a few things:

I have a fancy exhaust that is now scratched. The exhaust has not been declared to my insurers. Can I still claim on it (I'm assuming everything will be paid out by the other party's insurers!)?

Can I claim for my train fare while the bike's out if action? Riding to work is about £10 cheaper per day than the train.

Kindest regards, xx


You haven't really said how badly damaged your bike is. Is it in such a condition that it is not ridable? Or it is just cosmetically damaged with scratches and the like?
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Reversed into: Insurance questions Reply with quote

lozzypop1 wrote:
3chords wrote:
Long time lurker posting when it suits him. Any response greatly received.

My bike was knocked over whilst parked and I was wondering about a few things:

I have a fancy exhaust that is now scratched. The exhaust has not been declared to my insurers. Can I still claim on it (I'm assuming everything will be paid out by the other party's insurers!)?

Can I claim for my train fare while the bike's out if action? Riding to work is about £10 cheaper per day than the train.

Kindest regards, xx


You haven't really said how badly damaged your bike is. Is it in such a condition that it is not ridable? Or it is just cosmetically damaged with scratches and the like?


Can't ride it as the front brake only has 2 settings, on and off. In terms of damage there's scuffs on the front end, bar end, brake leaver, rhs fairings and seat unit and the footpeg has snapped. Aside from the brakes it seems to be all cosmetic. But I imagine it will cost a fair whack [bike's a '05 R6].
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
If some spacker reversed into me, I wouldn't even tell my insurer. Why would I, it's got nothing to do with them.


Let me get this straight.. if I ever have an accident that was not my fault and they admit liability, like reversing into my bike, I don't even need to contact my insurers?

I was under the assumption that my insurers need to know to help sort out everything with the other side's insurance?
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J7mbo wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
If some spacker reversed into me, I wouldn't even tell my insurer. Why would I, it's got nothing to do with them.


Let me get this straight.. if I ever have an accident that was not my fault and they admit liability, like reversing into my bike, I don't even need to contact my insurers?

I was under the assumption that my insurers need to know to help sort out everything with the other side's insurance?


Its my belief that your insurers need to be informed of ANY accident fault or not...unless the third party are settling out of insurance.

If youre 3rd party and have legal protection then if it is non fault then they will help recover your costs.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

"need" is a strong word. It would be to your benefit if the claim is contested, but your claim is against the muppet that reversed into you. His insurer will indemnify that claim. Your insurer isn't even a party to it, unless you're making a claim against a fully comp policy with them.

That said, when Mrs Borg got shunted up the arse some years back, I did contact my insurer and let them deal with it, but I wouldn't do so now. Talk to the shunter's insurer first, see if they want to deal with it. No sense in bringing another set of grasping parasites (no offence, arry) into it unless absolutely necessary.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work in Insurance and this is what I would do...


If i was definitely the other guy's fault, then I would just phone his insurer directly. If you dont know who his insurer is, go to www.askmid.com and for a few quid, they will tell you. If they admit liability, they wouldnt contact your insurer. If they say its your fault, they will send their allegations to your insurer.

Your insurance policy will say that you are obliged to tell them of all accidents, but I wouldnt. Even if its a non-fault accident, they may still load your premium and charge you more next year.

As for the mods... Asking them hypothetically, what would happen if you had mods has probably raised alarm bells with them.

I dont think they would void your policy though. A few years ago they may have done, but recently, the FOS (ombudsman) have told insurers that if they would have accepted the risk in the first place, they cant void it, only charge you more.

Eg, if you had a power commander and a different can, and didnt tell them, they may charge you £500. Had they known about the mods they may have charged you £800. So they would just charge you the difference.

As it is, your mods arent power enhancing anyway (apart from the can) so it probably wouldnt make much difference.
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