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 Posted: 10:27 - 25 Oct 2012 Post subject: Incorrect CBT advice maybe? Clarification needed. |
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Following a lad who had been through the local CBT school.
Approaching a roundabout and he indicates right.
He then goes around the roundabout and indicates right after first exit to go straight on. The straight on was at the 12 o'clock position.
When I asked it was what he was told to do by CBT instructor.
Now unless the DSA has moved the goalposts I think that's wrong and possible dangerous. IMO it tempts car drivers to overtake on the inside expecting the biker to be turning right.
Now this is what I thought was the correct procedure for straight on at a roundabout (12 o'clock exit). Do not indicate on entry. When past the point of no return for first exit (i.e. cannot have turned) put on left indicator. This tells anyone waiting at that junction your intent and also anyone behind. Then lifesaver left and exit.
Basically as in this image borrowed from cambridgedrivingschool.net site...
https://www.cambridgedrivingschool.net/images/straight-ahead-on-roundabout.jpgexcept I would start left indicator at or just before 9 o'clock position.
However, caveat is if desired roundabout exit is after the 12 o'clock position enter with right indicator.
So, what is now correct?
If not what I though should I (a) mention it to CBT school (b) contact the DSA or (c) both?
Thanks in anticipation  ____________________ ...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
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 Posted: 10:49 - 25 Oct 2012 Post subject: Re: Incorrect CBT advice maybe? Clarification needed. |
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Yeah that's correct - although once past the left turning a lifesaver to the right would be more beneficial, to make sure no one's about to cut you off. (I was also taught to check to my left whilst doing CBT, although when I did DAS [at a much better school] they said to forget that and check to my right if exiting in the left lane [once past last turning] - if you'd chosen to use the right lane then yes, lifesaver to the left) - examiner also prefer to see lifesavers that actually serve a purpose rather than a robotic glance to the left. ____________________ '12 NC700S & '12 CB600F Hornet [Stolen by some dickless twat] Suzuki GT500 shed |
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It's situational, I actually do it on some roundabouts where there appears to be a high chance of incoming spackers thinking I'm likely to be exiting at 9 o'clock, and a low chance of someone trying to sneak up the inside.
I actually had this conversation with my CBT instructor, who asked me why I'd done it. Answer was that if it makes spackers confused about what I'm up to, at least they're more likely to pause for thought than to pull out.
"Fair enough, don't do it on your test though" was the answer.
Teaching it as a default though, no. Just... no. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| Alpha-9 wrote: | | Turkish wrote: | I almost always indicate right when going straight on at a mini roundabout for this very reason - mostly due to the fact that nobody indicates at the fecking things. |
Thats annoying, tha twould make me think you're turning right and if I was coming from the opposite direction i'd have to stop and wait for you to turn right, but then you'd go straight on then i'd say "then why you indicating you fucking mong" |
In this situation, there's another mong coming in from the side, my life and limbs are worth 10 seconds of your time, and you'll likely just ignore my indicator anyway.
Karma will reward you for your reluctant patience.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| daemonoid wrote: | | Turkish wrote: |
Mini roundabouts are shit on a bike mate, especially in the wet. You can't go over the centre, so you have to go the long way round, some drivers interpret your road position as your intention to turn LEFT and on many occasions I've had to swerve the nose of an over eager cager. |
Go the short way then  |
Reminds me of 2 mini's I frequently undercut, because they're dumb and right after each other and there's hardly ever traffic in the way
Look at the angle on the second one, cunt in the rain
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=thurncourt+road+leicetser&hl=en&ll=52.638376,-1.059151&spn=0.016954,0.033088&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=8.644529,16.940918&hnear=Thurncourt+Rd,+Leicester,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=52.638325,-1.059011&panoid=6WmWjVIMO_YlJxVvgTEgRg&cbp=12,102.73,,1,9.34
Also note the little bicycle bollard things, quite fun to go through them at like 50
And actually my last line was bollocks thinking more about it, if you indicated left to show you were going straight over i'd keep going depending on the circs as i'd expect you to stop and wait for me before turning and cutting me off
Always give way to the right, right?
That confuses me sometimes, as on a miniroundabout with 4 exits, everyones on each others right ____________________ Fzr-600 1999 |
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This was a fad about ten years ago wit all manner of drivers being told this bollocks... Bloody dangerous, car or bike. ____________________ 22PlusY
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| goto10 wrote: | If you're riding in the left lane (taking primary position), then nothing can possibly be on your left once you've gone past the last turning |
"Primary position?" Since you bring up a pedalist term, I should note that I have been undertaken by an insane pedalist who shot onto a wet, slippery roundabout at the end of a steep downhill road doing about 30mph, head down, lycra-clad arse wiggling in the air, oblivious to everything except keeping his speed up. Nearly creamed the mong while exiting, and rather wish that I had.
I take the point that the big danger is coming from the right, but what are you going to do about it? You're already turning off anyway. Ride into the gutter (or further) on the off-chance that they're intending to drive right over the top of you if you don't?
Actually, thinking about it, the hazard is at exits before the one that we're planning to take, when we're likely to get t-boned and might have to dive up the exit to escape. If we're going to look right anywhere, it should be there, but that's exactly when we need to be watching for cars pulling out in front of us, so it's eyes front for me, thanks. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | goto10 wrote: | If you're riding in the left lane (taking primary position), then nothing can possibly be on your left once you've gone past the last turning |
"Primary position?" Since you bring up a pedalist term, I should note that I have been undertaken by an insane pedalist who shot onto a wet, slippery roundabout at the end of a steep downhill road doing about 30mph, head down, lycra-clad arse wiggling in the air, oblivious to everything except keeping his speed up. Nearly creamed the mong while exiting, and rather wish that I had.
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Exactly, we're only interested in things that are heavier/faster than us
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I take the point that the big danger is coming from the right, but what are you going to do about it?
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I'd probably brake...or at least brace for impact.
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You're already turning off anyway. Ride into the gutter (or further) on the off-chance that they're intending to drive right over the top of you if you don't?
Actually, thinking about it, the hazard is at exits before the one that we're planning to take, when we're likely to get t-boned and might have to dive up the exit to escape. If we're going to look right anywhere, it should be there, but that's exactly when we need to be watching for cars pulling out in front of us, so it's eyes front for me, thanks. |
A quick glance to the left as you approach/pass the junction is definitely more effective than a [left] lifesaver as you take the next exit. Combining it with a right-lifesaver before your exit is full of win. ____________________ '12 NC700S & '12 CB600F Hornet [Stolen by some dickless twat] Suzuki GT500 shed |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 99 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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