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Simi13
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 23 Oct 2012    Post subject: HELP!! How does the new law changes in 2013 affect me? Reply with quote
I'm looking to start my lessons and do my CBT/Tests the beginning of next year so the new laws will be in effect.

I'll be 19 then so wondering how it would affect me as I want to do my A2 test (or whatever the test was that I could pass and then after 2 years have an unrestricted license).

And Finally... A bit of advice... I really want to get a 2012 Cagiva Raptor 125cc but can I use it for my CBT and tests? Also, would it be too big of a bike for me? (I know 125cc bikes are generally small but I myself am tiny at 5ft3 and weighing only 110lbs).
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PostPosted: 00:10 - 24 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi Simi13,

Looking at the specs of the Raptor, it should be learner legal so once you've done your CBT you can ride it on L-plates. Use one of the instructor's bikes for the CBT - otherwise you'd have to transport your Raptor to the CBT centre somehow (van/trailer) as you wouldn't be able to ride it before that.

After 19th January, there will no longer be an automatic upgrade for licenses, i.e. whatever category you pass, you're stuck with it until you reach the minimum age that allows you to pass a further test on a bigger bike.

As you'll be 19, you can do your A2 tests and then you can ride a bike of up to 25kW. Then after 2 years, another test to ride any size bike (you can do that at 21 if you passed A2 at 19, otherwise from L-plates you'd have to be 24).
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Simi13
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 24 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
So basically it doesn't really effect me, all i have to do is do another test when I'm 21 after the 2 year period... that seems fine to me I don't mind doing another test.

As for the size of the bike will it not be too bulky for me? Will I have any problems with it (apart from finding a UK dealer, which is currently a nightmare)?

Oh and I didn't really think about the bike transport to the CBT so will hire a bike... So what's the highest CC I could have to do my A2 test/ lessons? As I wanted a higher CC and probably would have bought and sold the raptor in a space of 6 months, not very cost effective... Could I maybe get a higher CC and have it restricted? Or is that not something I want to do?
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PostPosted: 07:16 - 24 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Simi13 wrote:

As for the size of the bike will it not be too bulky for me? Will I have any problems with it (apart from finding a UK dealer, which is currently a nightmare)?


Go to dealerships and look at bikes, then ask to sit on them and see how it feels. Most if not all dealers will let you at least sit on a bike or two in their showroom.

Simi13 wrote:

So what's the highest CC I could have to do my A2 test/ lessons? As I wanted a higher CC and probably would have bought and sold the raptor in a space of 6 months, not very cost effective... Could I maybe get a higher CC and have it restricted? Or is that not something I want to do?


Reading material:

https://www.gov.uk/ride-motorcycle-moped/new-rules-from-january-2013

There's another thread (or two) with a long discussion on whether it's better to get a 125 and spend some time on it while getting your lessons and mod1/2 done, or whether to skip that part and get a big bike once you've passed. Bottom line is, up to you.
Most people who've had a 125 for a few months (incl. myself) have enjoyed it a lot and agree it's definitely not a waste of money and time... but you might just want to get the test done quickly and get a bigger bike immediately instead.
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 24 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: HELP!! How does the new law changes in 2013 affect me? Reply with quote
Hi Simi.

Your CBT will include use of a 125cc bike. You're far better off dropping theirs than yours. Wink

OK, forget about the current system. You'll be on the new one. That gives you two options.

1) The pointless A1 test, done on a 125, gets you a license to ride... a 125.
2) The new A2 test. This will be done on a 395cc+ bike making 25-35kW, e.g. a GS500 or NC700S. In practical terms, you'll end up doing this via a training school and they'll provide the bike. It'll get you a license to ride a similar bike, or a more powerful bike that's been restricted down to 35kW. 2 years later, you can sit A (aka A3) on a larger bike to get an unrestricted license.

Simi13 wrote:
I really want to get a 2012 Cagiva Raptor 125cc

I can't think why. It's a niche marque, and if you think it's difficult to get a bike, how about parts? Size-wise, it'll come down to your inside leg, and you'll really have to sit-and-see. Claimed bike seat heights are pretty random, and seat width is an important factor.

Since you're able and willing to do the new A2 test, I'd suggest that you either skip buying a 125 altogether, or get an old, cheap bike and use it purely as a practice machine between A2 training sessions. The ride-away depreciation on a new 125 would pretty much pay for an A2 training course!

Riding a 125 is a good introduction to biking, or a bargain basement commuter (although insurance costs might surprise you, especially fully comp on a brand new bike). But the moment you get on anything bigger, you'll find that it's easier to ride. More stable, much more capable, better brakes, more visible. Bigger bikes are inherently safer than smaller ones. Any risk comes from your right hand, and that's entirely up to you to control.

tl;dr version - forget the 125, do a training course and the new A2 tests, get yourself access to a far bigger range of bikes that offer better value for money than a 125.
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Simi13
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 24 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: HELP!! How does the new law changes in 2013 affect me? Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:


2) The new A2 test. This will be done on a 395cc+ bike making 25-35kW, e.g. a GS500 or NC700S. In practical terms, you'll end up doing this via a training school and they'll provide the bike. It'll get you a license to ride a similar bike, or a more powerful bike that's been restricted down to 35kW. 2 years later, you can sit A (aka A3) on a larger bike to get an unrestricted license.



So I dont have to buy a 125 at all? I can go straight to a 500cc? Which is effectively the bike engine size I want... Brilliant news thank you!

Could any of you recommend a 400-600cc bike that's good on fuel, cheap to insure, parts are accessible ect.? Oh and relatively looks like the raptor or the yamaha ybr125? I just love that shape bike.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 24 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: HELP!! How does the new law changes in 2013 affect me? Reply with quote
Simi13 wrote:
So I dont have to buy a 125 at all? I can go straight to a 500cc?

Once you get an A2 license. That's the new A2 license, not anything called "A2" by anybody talking about the current rules.

Yes, if you're 19, you can pass an A2 test via a training school. They'll provide the bike (likely a 500cc or a bit bigger), you just show up and ride it like a boss.

Simi13 wrote:
Could any of you recommend a 400-600cc bike that's good on fuel, cheap to insure, parts are accessible ect.? Oh and relatively looks like the raptor or the yamaha ybr125? I just love that shape bike.

What's your budget? What uses will you be putting it to?

There are no really bad choices in modern bikes, and plenty of nakeds to choose from.

New, or nearly new: Kawasaki ER6-n, Suzuki SVF650 Gladius, Honda CBF600, Yamaha XJ600, Triumph Street Triple, Ducati Monster. The cheapest and the best match to an A2 license is the Honda NC700S, although it'll ride a bit differently to most bikes, with a low rev limit and needing early upshifts.

Older (i.e. a lot cheaper): Honda CB and CBF500/600, Kawasaki ER-5 (although I'd suggest the half-faired GPZ500S), Suzuki GS500, Bandit 650/600/400, Honda BROS 400, plus dozens more.

Best thing might be to do the training, see what bike you get out on, and then use that as a yardstick to decide what you want after you're licensed up.

If you're intending to spend any time at or near (or past) the national speed limit, then some sort of fairing will make it a much less tiring experience.
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Simi13
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 24 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: HELP!! How does the new law changes in 2013 affect me? Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
What's your budget? What uses will you be putting it to?


budget at the moment is non existent but will be looking into finance, I could afford up to £100 per month on finance maybe a little more.

Mainly getting me back and forth to work and to see the family which at the minute is a 30 minute walk so rather tiresome especially when I have a dodgy hip...

but I will be using the bike to go from Taunton Somerset to Swansea in South Wales roughly once a month, so something really good on fuel would be great.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, license first. If you put aside £100 a month then you may find yourself with enough to buy an older bike outright by the time you're able to ride it.

There are just so many possible bikes that meet your criteria that it's essentially fantasy shopping at the moment. You might want to start with an assumption of (e.g.) the CB500 and then find reasons to get something else.
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Simi13
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Well, license first. If you put aside £100 a month then you may find yourself with enough to buy an older bike outright by the time you're able to ride it.


Yeah I plan on getting my license first... that's what I'm saving toward now, and won't be able to afford it til next year hence asking how the new laws will affect me.

I really like the look of the Honda CBF500, and most of the bikes I've looked at are between £900-£3000 so in my price range.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Simi13 wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Well, license first. If you put aside £100 a month then you may find yourself with enough to buy an older bike outright by the time you're able to ride it.


Yeah I plan on getting my license first... that's what I'm saving toward now, and won't be able to afford it til next year hence asking how the new laws will affect me.

I really like the look of the Honda CBF500, and most of the bikes I've looked at are between £900-£3000 so in my price range.


Won't go far wrong with a CBF600 or 500. They are the same bike essentially but the 500 is a twin cylinder and the 600 is a four cylinder. Both are bullet-proof but the 500 will do slightly better economy and be cheaper to service.

Whilst I know you've said you like 'naked' bikes. I would suggest you look at something with a bit of fairing for your Wales > West Country journeys. Weather protection is very helpful when it's wet/windy/cold.

As Roger says there is infinite choice. Good luck with getting your licence!
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Simi13
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for the advice guys I'll keep you updated on how my license and bike shopping goes, god knows I'll probably need some more advice. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 25 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Enjoy it, it's a great laugh. But I'd suggest that you post in New Bikers or General Bike Chat, you'll get more responses.
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