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PostPosted: 12:54 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: New Honda CBR500, CB500 and CB500X Reply with quote

Anyone see the new Honda models "" leaked ""?

https://static.blogo.it/motoblog/honda-cbr500-cb500x-e-cb500r-2013-a-sulmona/GammaHondaCB5002013spyshots1.jpg

https://static.blogo.it/motoblog/honda-cbr500-cb500x-e-cb500r-2013-a-sulmona/GammaHondaCB5002013spyshots5.jpg

Source & more photos: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2012/October/oct2512-new-honda-500s-spiedagain/
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They certainly look interesting, just wish there was some more info on them Mad
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the leaked info so far is like this:

- 470cc liquid-cooled, parallel-twin
- Six-speed manual
- 46.9bhp
- 30lb/ft of torque
- 401lbs (dry)/430lbs (wet)
- 105mph top speed
- 31-inch seat height
- 120/70-17 (front)/160-60-17 (rear)

Basically a bigger version of the CBR250R - I hope it also means cheap and good mpg!

Source: https://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/10/meet-the-cbr500-family/
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh. So they "accidentally" got seen by MCN did they?

I have a mate who worked at triumps who told me that they used to prep a bike to the extent of getting one of the apprentices to cut the nibs off the tyres then wheel it out of the van somewhere out of the way (with good lighting and a nice backdrop) at a motorway services in the wee small hours.

MCN would then receive an "anonymous" phone call later in the day saying someone had seen a strange looking Triumph.

I'm looking for how they are in any way better than the old CB500...

Weight: 12kg heavier
Power: 11bhp less
Top speed: 15mph slower
Torque: The same

Nope. Not selling it to me so far.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm digging the way that "CBR500" looks. I wonder what will Honda say about it in the future.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Ahh. So they "accidentally" got seen by MCN did they?


Laughing I said "" leaked "".

stinkwheel wrote:
I'm looking for how they are in any way better than the old CB500...

Weight: 12kg heavier
Power: 11bhp less
Top speed: 15mph slower
Torque: The same

Nope. Not selling it to me so far.


Probably cheaper, more mpg etc - and I am guessing Honda is betting on larger markets like India, China, South America etc.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm liking the style of that CBR500 Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

C'mon its a blatant restricted licence market filler.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Ahh. So they "accidentally" got seen by MCN did they?

I have a mate who worked at triumps who told me that they used to prep a bike to the extent of getting one of the apprentices to cut the nibs off the tyres then wheel it out of the van somewhere out of the way (with good lighting and a nice backdrop) at a motorway services in the wee small hours.

MCN would then receive an "anonymous" phone call later in the day saying someone had seen a strange looking Triumph...



I work for a well known publisher - this is pretty much exactly how it works, even if the manufacturer themselves aren't in on it, an employee wanting to earn a little cash bung will set things up to allow a few cheeky "spy" shots.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


I'm looking for how they are in any way better than the old CB500...

Weight: 12kg heavier
Power: 11bhp less
Top speed: 15mph slower
Torque: The same

Nope. Not selling it to me so far.



This.

And the CB500 is dull as fuck as it is.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I seeing correctly.

Heavier than a standard CB500 and still only one brake disc on the front?

Fuck off Honda.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Am I seeing correctly.

Heavier than a standard CB500 and still only one brake disc on the front?

Fuck off Honda.

Yeah I am a little confused as to how they've gained that much weight on a 20 year old design...
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

How the fuck is that a CBR, its got a parra-twin commuter engine.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

beechbone wrote:

Yeah I am a little confused as to how they've gained that much weight on a 20 year old design...


Overly complex, multi-part fairings and a huge exhaust silencer.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't be the only one that's still getting annoyed about how anything with plastic on is having a prosthetic 'R' appended to it.

Quite aside from the fact that it's heavier, slower, distinctly more expensive, and not staggeringly pretty, I'm failing to see what these bikes do that the NC700 doesn't already do fairly well, and the current CB500 does even better.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I just add, those specs were leaked weeks or even months ago - when no one, not even the "most reliable insider"s didn't predict three versions of the 500. They were all talking at most two.

So while the base platform is all the same, Honda might have different tweaks on each model, and perhaps different weight/other figures.

Fingers crossed but it's all good news anyway - more bikes = more competition = more choice & more toys! Wink
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

180kg dry for a 500 twin?


Fuck off Honda. Laughing

That's only 10kg lighter than my TDM
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
180kg dry for a 500 twin?


Fuck off Honda. Laughing

That's only 10kg lighter than my TDM

Streetfighter and de-cat it and you'll lose most of the weight Laughing Maybe in 10 years when I can afford one...
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh,

Most new bikes look gash. In fact the only new bikes I would say look semi decent are naked ones. Fared ones are ghastly these days.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

beechbone wrote:
chris-red wrote:
180kg dry for a 500 twin?


Fuck off Honda. Laughing

That's only 10kg lighter than my TDM

Streetfighter and de-cat it and you'll lose most of the weight Laughing Maybe in 10 years when I can afford one...


Something like this then?

https://www.motorbikespecs.net/images/Honda/CB_500_V_97-98/CB_500_V_97-98_1.jpg

Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
I'm failing to see what these bikes do that the NC700 doesn't already do fairly well, and the current CB500 does even better.

Bingo. How are they going to market this against their own bike, to do exactly the same job, without admitting that one of them is the wrong bike for that job?

Weight? Water cooling, and that "600" rubber won't be helping (old 500s were 110 / 130). It'll be built to absolutely minimise manufacturing costs. Cheap and chunky steel, big sloppy welds (not to 4 thou...) and shave 5 minutes off the production time rather than 5kg off the weight.

The paper spec is essentially a GS500, the budget choice of the old "500"s. Still, like the GS500, it looks pretty enough, so I guess whether it sells will come down to cost.

Don't get me wrong, I quite like the idea of a modern "do anything" 500, and I applaud them for doing it. Sticker it for under £5K with ABS, fuel economy that's clearly better than the 60mpg my GPZ500 returns, and something that could charitably be described as a powerband, and I might - might - take a look at it.

But if they do that, they'll only be undercutting their own NC700, which is already pretty cheap and selling well enough. I can see the sense in other manufacturers releasing this bike, but Honda? Can't see why they'd pull a Suzuki and compete against their own bikes. Thinking

[UPDATE] Just realised that the "leaked" shots hide the nekkid one at the back. Poor, sad thing, everybody will want the plastic one or the beaky one. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

beechbone wrote:
chris-red wrote:
180kg dry for a 500 twin?


Fuck off Honda. Laughing

That's only 10kg lighter than my TDM

Streetfighter and de-cat it and you'll lose most of the weight Laughing Maybe in 10 years when I can afford one...


or buy any sports 600 of the last 20 years which will be lighter and have twice the power.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The HRC colour scheme on recent Hondas looks poor...makes it look cheap and tacky.

As for the CBR500R...if the mpg was somewhere between the 250R and the 600R then id be interested. But if the mpg is going to be almost the same as the 600 then it seems a bit surplus. For me a CBR400R would be ideal...shame they arent making one.
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked NOT THIS crap AGAIN. I don't get it, Japanese motorcycles were so cool, what happened to them that their today goals are only EURO 3 and low budget. Rolling Eyes

I want a proper in-line four, 250-500cc with twin disc brakes on front with fully adjustable suspension and I want it now.

I do not want to offend anyone, but a in-line 500cc twin-cylinder sports bike is a joke, in my humble opinion. I find 20yrs old 250cc in-line 4 more attractive than those eco friendly/modern things, even if that 20yrs old bike would need some special care in the garage once in a while. I just want back those bikes where R meant something Smile

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PostPosted: 15:47 - 26 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Won't these bikes fall within the new BHP restrictions come January? - Maybe that's the market they're catering too?
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