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PostPosted: 04:39 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: How do you identify yourself? Reply with quote

Watching CNN earlier (I know.... Rolling Eyes but its the only English speaking channel I have...) there was some story about a woman director who had won some kind of cinematic award.

It was apparently significant as she was the first black person to win this award.

Upon interview she was describing her work, there was a clip, and her comments went something like this;

"through the direction, sound, picture the work tells you about me, who I am... and who am I? I'm a 'sister' "

Now apart from the language used (which makes me cringe anyway)makes me think what a twat...) I thought this a little strange. Here she is and the primary thing she chooses to identify herself as is as a 'black person'.

I find it strange because this doesnt tell me anything about the person.

Personally I identify myself as a lot of different things, a Biker, a petrolhead (into cars as well as bikes). My work is also plays a strong part in the way I identify myslef - Im lucky to have a Job i enjoy in a company which treats me fairly well which has products I really believe in (Civil Aerospace), so I identify myself as a 'professional'.

I'm a white man is something which, for me at least is far down the list of self identification.

(I am probably identified as a white person by many others here in Asia, but thats a different matter!)

So thinking about this I feel that self identification by colour is tends to be more common with particular ethnicities rather than others (or at least the media leads me to belive this is the case).

Am I alone in tihnking this is a bit wierd? Anyone else here identfy themselves firstly by their colour? If so, why?

How do you identify yourself?
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PostPosted: 07:11 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, there's a morning musing.

Like you, I identify myself by what I'm doing and I'm white/English. I think a lot of it is to do with oppression or what's perceived anyway. Take the Scots or Welsh, they each have a strong national identity and would more likely see themselves as Scottish/Welsh higher up the list of attributes.

The English have been the oppressors and so have grown a bit flabby when it comes to that sort of thing. Same with race, I suppose you're bound to push back if you're trodden on (or think you're being trodden on) and identify with others along those lines, creatng a strong group identity.
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PostPosted: 07:21 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flatbadger wrote:
...Take the Scots or Welsh, they each have a strong national identity and would more likely see themselves as Scottish/Welsh higher up the list of attributes....

Correct!
I find that identifying as Welsh is the first identifier that came to mind.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say cornish was quite high up on mine. Probably for the things you mentioned and also because at present i've lost some of the major things that i feel identify me so those that are left are a pretty short list Confused

Not working takes away any kind of function, job-title or direction. The resulting lack of cash removes lots of other things. Most significantly by far for me is the bike but also travelling, education, diving, any kind of social-life, home, music, hobbies and just general lifestyle things. I find it significantly difficult to give up part of myself and grovel for money that's not even mine on the (regular) occasions that the benefits 'people' cock us around. It's a real dignity-stripper and it's important not to give in to it. I'm often referred to by a number and have to respond on command to people who control most aspects of our lives so i tend to get all uppity and precious about the things i have left that do identify me. Woe betide the cretinous DSS maggot that calls me english Laughing

In addition i love the sea here and do feel very much that i belong to it. Everywhere is close to it and i can often hear it in my daily life, which i only appreciate properly now that i've spent years living in cities. I feel a bit more like myself now that it's always in my field of vision no matter where i look Wub
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I identify as white British male... I think that's everything
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people really do identify themselves entirely by their race though...it's a little illogical because it doesn't define your personality. Likewise hobbies and stuff. I have quite a few and all of them have a certain cliquey "type" associated with them which for most of them I would describe as slightly twattish. i.e. Biker (not so bad but I definitely am not one), snow boarder (think they're too cool for words), rugby player (loutish lager swillers), scuba diver (words can't describe how arrogant and irritating I find most people who are really into this).

The thing that most defines your personality in my opinion is your fundamental political allegiance. I don't mean particular parties or that you even necessarily follow or know anything about politics, I just mean that general split between left wing and right wing mind set which I think is maybe indicative of how you view the world more than any other single factor. I think that alone says quite a lot about people if you had to just pick one trait to use but it's far from complete obviously.

Overall I just consider myself human and don't decide to ally myself with people based on such stupid things as being born in a certain location geograhically. That's not a very logical thing to do.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look in the mirror and say "Yep, it's definately me".
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Can't say I really identify my self with anything like that. There are things I do and things I enjoy, but don't really think they identify me.

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:32 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Can't say I really identify my self with anything like that. There are things I do and things I enjoy, but don't really think they identify me.

All the best

Keith


Precisely. I find that the people who do identify themselves by their activities generally irritate me slightly, even if they're things I happen to do myself.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm me and unique............ just like all the rst.


I hate it when they call someone a black actor/musician etc.
I would rather have them say they are actors/ musicians who happen to be black.

Some of the people I admire, I admire because of their music, talents, what they have done. The race has nothing to do with it.
I hate things like Miss Black UK of the MOBO awards or the Black Police Federation, ot the lesbian gay transgender brigade. Setting themselves apart all the time, like the British Muslims, we don't say British Christians or methodists etc. No prpblem them saying that hey are British, but I don't need the extra bit.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:42 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile Me?, I identify myself as?....... A f*cking horrible c*nt Smile Thumbs Up

I am what I am! I happen to be White & English (a lot to hate there Laughing )
What ever I am, I`m not going to applogise for it.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really have much of a personal identity along lines like activities/background etc. I must say I've noticed the difference between "gay people" and "people who happen to be gay". I've got friends in both camps (no pun intended) and it really is noticeable. The former group seems define themselves and their life along the fact they are gay, facebook always going on about gay this and that etc etc. The latter group are just regular people, who happen to like making out with the same sex. They don't seem to make it a defining point of their life.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:22 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a Brummie, Birmingham is one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world, There is no child in Brum that is now not part of an ethnic minority and I work in an environment where over 40 languages are spoken.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Smile Me?, I identify myself as?....... A f*cking horrible c*nt Smile Thumbs Up



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PostPosted: 17:33 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: How do you identify yourself? Reply with quote

owl10 wrote:
Watching CNN earlier (I know.... Rolling Eyes but its the only English speaking channel I have...) there was some story about a woman director who had won some kind of cinematic award.

It was apparently significant as she was the first black person to win this award.

Upon interview she was describing her work, there was a clip, and her comments went something like this;

"through the direction, sound, picture the work tells you about me, who I am... and who am I? I'm a 'sister' "

Now apart from the language used (which makes me cringe anyway)makes me think what a twat...) I thought this a little strange. Here she is and the primary thing she chooses to identify herself as is as a 'black person'.

I find it strange because this doesnt tell me anything about the person.

Personally I identify myself as a lot of different things, a Biker, a petrolhead (into cars as well as bikes). My work is also plays a strong part in the way I identify myslef - Im lucky to have a Job i enjoy in a company which treats me fairly well which has products I really believe in (Civil Aerospace), so I identify myself as a 'professional'.

I'm a white man is something which, for me at least is far down the list of self identification.

(I am probably identified as a white person by many others here in Asia, but thats a different matter!)

So thinking about this I feel that self identification by colour is tends to be more common with particular ethnicities rather than others (or at least the media leads me to belive this is the case).

Am I alone in tihnking this is a bit wierd? Anyone else here identfy themselves firstly by their colour? If so, why?

How do you identify yourself?


White South African

Race here is everything. It defines culture, who you mix with, what jobs you can apply for. It is not wierd. Most of the world thinks that. Lberal euros are a very small minority.

Within the broad white south african, people here define themselves as english or afrikaans. Things like biker, or hobbies, are less important.

Yet a multiculti liberal, wether english or afrikaans, is like a leper.

A multiculti darkie is also ostracised by his people. It is still common for them to marry from their own tribal group, never mind just race.
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

RainbowThunder wrote:
I identify as white British male... I think that's everything


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You can only be white and british. Yes, that is everything.
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remind me never to move to South Africa Laughing

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PostPosted: 17:42 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:
Remind me never to move to South Africa Laughing

And that's balls.


difficult as the government doesnt want white immigrants. Nor can whites get government work.

I know one Brit engineer doing his PhD. He wants to immigrate here but he can't Laughing

So he is stuck here as a seconded employee with a work permit. Every 6 months he must answer 'what have you done to get a black person in your job?' Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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difficult as the government doesnt want white immigrants. Nor can whites get government work.

I know one Brit engineer doing his PhD. He wants to immigrate here but he can't Laughing

So he is stuck here as a seconded employee with a work permit. Every 6 months he must answer 'what have you done to get a black person in your job?' Laughing


Ain't discrimination a bitch.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:
Kradmelder wrote:

difficult as the government doesnt want white immigrants. Nor can whites get government work.

I know one Brit engineer doing his PhD. He wants to immigrate here but he can't Laughing

So he is stuck here as a seconded employee with a work permit. Every 6 months he must answer 'what have you done to get a black person in your job?' Laughing


Ain't discrimination a bitch.


Our opinions dont matter. You and I are both white and male. 99% of the world, or more, will see us that way. Whether you like it or not.

It just is. No matter whether you agree with such a classifcation, it is and will be. Isnt reality a bitch?
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Our opinions dont matter. You and I are both white and male. 99% of the world, or more, will see us that way. Whether you like it or not.

It just is. No matter whether you agree with such a classifcation, it is and will be. Isnt reality a bitch?


I think your opinions are shaded somewhat by the kind of people you hang around with, as mine are.

The only overtly racist people I regularly communicate with are those on this forum. None of the people I know personally are racist...I never encounter it so race really isn't as important for me as you might think in how I judge people. The racists I do encounter all seem to think that everyone is racist but some of us just hide it. It's a little like religious people who find it impossible to believe that atheists can really conceive of there not being a god. It's really not the case, I genuinely don't give a shit about skin colour.

Maybe that's something you can aspire to...I mean what could possibly be wrong with judging people on their merits rather than their skin tone? Wink
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mate was in his brother's car when they were pulled by the plod. When his brother was asked to identify himself, apparently turning the rearview mirror to look at himself before saying "yes, that's me" was not the response they were looking for.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:
Kradmelder wrote:

Our opinions dont matter. You and I are both white and male. 99% of the world, or more, will see us that way. Whether you like it or not.

It just is. No matter whether you agree with such a classifcation, it is and will be. Isnt reality a bitch?


I think your opinions are shaded somewhat by the kind of people you hang around with, as mine are.

The only overtly racist people I regularly communicate with are those on this forum. None of the people I know personally are racist...I never encounter it so race really isn't as important for me as you might think in how I judge people. The racists I do encounter all seem to think that everyone is racist but some of us just hide it. It's a little like religious people who find it impossible to believe that atheists can really conceive of there not being a god. It's really not the case, I genuinely don't give a shit about skin colour.

Maybe that's something you can aspire to...I mean what could possibly be wrong with judging people on their merits rather than their skin tone? Wink


very apt comnparison, with religion. I would agree, except that I do think there are people who are not racist and are trully atheist. it doesnt mean I must think like them. Nor do I think they can be converted, which excludes me from the 'born again' 'conversion' crowd. Let them live as they please.

Racists on this forum??? It is a bastion of multicultis.

Even if I make this transformation, it will change nothing. I will still be a white male, and get murdered, excluded from tenders, be seen as a white male etc.

So why fool myself that I am anything but?

White males are a rapidly disappearing breed. in 100 years whites went from like 30% of the world to maybe 10%. I guess that doesnt worry you. That is fine. There are some things that worry you that dont concern me. That is reality.
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