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PostPosted: 18:38 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Depression Reply with quote

How are you supposed to know when your depression ends?
Ive felt low a lot of the time since the start of this year for various reasons, all of which have passed now.
I started taking Prozac around April this year, until recently i decided to stop taking it to see how i feel 'naturally' rather than with the aid of meds. A week after coming off them, i felt good, 2 weeks later, still felt good, 3+ weeks later and i felt like shit again. Went to the docs and restarted Prozac.
My main issue right now is this eye allergy/problem i have in which the eyelid goes swollen, red and itchy. Sounds silly but the constant irritating feeling of it there makes me feel down a lot of the time, which is affecting my job (in sales, cant sell when feeling shit). Doctors dont seem to offer much in terms of whats causing it.

Anyway, could do with some advice on what to do from here, just continue Prozac endlessly? Doesnt seem to do any harm
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If prozac is working for you then keep taking it until your GP says otherwise. Funny he hasn't prescribed something for your eye problem. Speak to him about it.

Don't think there is anything more anyone without a degree in medicine can say on the subject.

Hope it works out for you.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You been to any therapies like CBT?
Do you get any exercise (believe me I know how hard it is to do THAT!).

There's no real end date for depression, it's a bummer, it ends when you stop being depressed, for me it was about 6 months, the wife was 2 years, some people it's 10 years or more.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If i miss my meds for a week or longer then I go all fucked up again, don't stop taking your medication, I take Sertraline and it helps me pretty well but it sure isn't a fix in the slightest.

Drop me a PM if you want to know more about Sertraline or owt else like. Thumbs Up Smile
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive the stupid question, but how do you know if you have depression? Is it quick onset or something that could ramp up so slowly that you never really notice the change as such?
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can be slow or fast, some people have a massive panic attack and then it develops from that, some just get gradually lower until friends etc start realising something is wrong, probably different depending on the type of person you are.
It is all in the mind but that doesn't make it any easier, Psychosis is all the mind and you wouldn't tell people with that to MTFU and stop hallucinating Rolling Eyes .
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

People tell me to MTFU, and i get phycosis, although tbf i,m not sure the people telling me are actually there. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
Forgive the stupid question, but how do you know if you have depression? Is it quick onset or something that could ramp up so slowly that you never really notice the change as such?

For me it was over time, but i know a girl who had it suddenly onset because of a number of issues and didn't recover from them.

It's a bit difficult to say really as there are so many variations.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really dont get it. what is there to get depressed about? An eye irritation?

Like you are not starving in bangaldesh, or Niger. You are in Britain, food everyday, with a welfare system.

So just make that mind shift. You are priveliged. Your life is better than 99% of the world. You wont be murdered tomorrow or starve to death or die because you cant afford a doctor.

WTF? so many men have been in far worse than you and they soldiered on.

Fark the pills. Tell yourself to be thankful for where you are each day
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I really dont get it. what is there to get depressed about? An eye irritation?


Doesn't really work like that. For example if your opinion of yourself is that you are a worthless piece of shit then you are not going to feel good. And trying to tell yourself that isn't the case is likely to be regarded as just telling lies to yourself ; and regarding yourself as a liar is just going to make it worse.

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PostPosted: 20:44 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sort of think first world problems when I hear about depression. Although of course to the individuals it is a very real problem from their point of view.

I've noticed with myself that when I'm all "civilised" at uni I do have little apathetic episodes now and again where I just want to get out and explore. I'm a lot happier out travelling, even though my physical existence is a lot rougher, the whole living day to day, getting out and seeing the world is a lot more mentally workable. Working doing physical work is also quite satisfying. No wonder hard exercise is known to benefit depression cases.

edit: Maybe something to do with the human brain still wired up for prehistory? Out solving physical problems such as "where do I sleep", "where can I get some food" is what we are designed for. To be sitting about relatively inactive not so much.


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PostPosted: 20:46 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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I really dont get it. what is there to get depressed about? An eye irritation?


Doesn't really work like that. For example if your opinion of yourself is that you are a worthless piece of shit then you are not going to feel good. And trying to tell yourself that isn't the case is likely to be regarded as just telling lies to yourself ; and regarding yourself as a liar is just going to make it worse.

All the best

Keith


But why even tell yourself you are a worthless piece of shit? if that were the case all the welfare cases, all the 3rd world dregs living on hand outs etc would end their miserable parasitic existence. So why do people with jobs, middle class values, who contribute to society fall for this BS?

Most of these depressed people on here are not stupid, are not worthless, so why do they convince themselves they are?

The only lie is telling yourself you are worthless
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kradmelder wrote:

But why even tell yourself you are a worthless piece of shit? if that were the case all the welfare cases, all the 3rd world dregs living on hand outs etc would end their miserable parasitic existence. So why do people with jobs, middle class values, who contribute to society fall for this BS?


When all you do for a living is pointless crap for some arsehole boss and have time to think about it you can realise that you are a worthless piece of shit. That others are even more worthless is hardly any comfort.

Plenty of things can contribute, with brain chemistry playing a part. Just like some people are happy as anything for no apparent reason.

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:57 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Just like some people are happy as anything for no apparent reason.

All the best

Keith


This me, even when things are going badly I have some weird dogged optimism that everything will be okay in the end. I never really feel massively euphoric or massively sad, just rumble along in a slightly above average sort of way.

When stuff gets shit I never feel really bad, when really cool stuff is happening I never feel really happy...
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Kradmelder wrote:

But why even tell yourself you are a worthless piece of shit? if that were the case all the welfare cases, all the 3rd world dregs living on hand outs etc would end their miserable parasitic existence. So why do people with jobs, middle class values, who contribute to society fall for this BS?


When all you do for a living is pointless crap for some arsehole boss and have time to think about it you can realise that you are a worthless piece of shit. That others are even more worthless is hardly any comfort.

Plenty of things can contribute, with brain chemistry playing a part. Just like some people are happy as anything for no apparent reason.

All the best

Keith


Then expand that. All we strive for is pointless crap as we all die, and the universe is huge. So what ever we do is pointless and we should all be depressed.

Fark, all i have done and learnt is pointless. Teaching my kids is pointless. They are also worthless and are insignificant in the universe. This line of reasoning will make anyone depressed and is futile.

To me the only thing futile is for a decent person to be depressed . Everyone of these people on BCF posting a depro thread is actually a decent person.

How to get them to relaise that is debateable
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not really like that Krad, it's more like a disease, would be a bit harsh to tell someone with cancer to snap out of it! OK so that's a rubbish analogy but like the psychosis I mentioned it's not something you choose, it's not even related to the level of crap you're dealing with, it could take a whole heap of crap to cause someone to get depressed, whereas the next person could get it cos their goldfish died, it's not quantifiable.
You're thinking of it like an emotion, like feeling a bit sad, like telling them a joke and taking them out for a meal will make them feel better, it doesn't, it's a permanent condition that is NOT just a feeling, you can't just switch it off by thinking nice thoughts.

I don't know how else to explain it, you've never had it so it's nearly impossible to explain how it feels.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then expand that. All we strive for is pointless crap as we all die, and the universe is huge. So what ever we do is pointless and we should all be depressed.


Yes, to an extent. And sometimes you just lose the will to fight against that feeling.

No more easily controlled than it would be for you to hate your kids or love someone who had killed someone you loved.

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:09 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbourner wrote:
It's not really like that Krad, it's more like a disease, would be a bit harsh to tell someone with cancer to snap out of it! OK so that's a rubbish analogy but like the psychosis I mentioned it's not something you choose, it's not even related to the level of crap you're dealing with, it could take a whole heap of crap to cause someone to get depressed, whereas the next person could get it cos their goldfish died, it's not quantifiable.
You're thinking of it like an emotion, like feeling a bit sad, like telling them a joke and taking them out for a meal will make them feel better, it doesn't, it's a permanent condition that is NOT just a feeling, you can't just switch it off by thinking nice thoughts.

I don't know how else to explain it, you've never had it so it's nearly impossible to explain how it feels.


I know. It is like my buddy who was boarded from the police for PTSD. Like I can tell him fark bru, we have seen far worse. But it wont change things until he has a mental readjustment.

Like he stayed at my house and I had to take him to the shrinks during evaluation. He was a horrible house geust and nothing like his old self. he was zonked on psychiatric drugs. Nothing you say, and also no drug pulls them out of it. End of the day they must do it themselves.

He went to Iraq and finally sorted himself out.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Then expand that. All we strive for is pointless crap as we all die, and the universe is huge. So what ever we do is pointless and we should all be depressed.


Yes, to an extent. And sometimes you just lose the will to fight against that feeling.

No more easily controlled than it would be for you to hate your kids or love someone who had killed someone you loved.

All the best

Keith


The difference is Im a fighter. and when someone loses the will to fight, I will egg him on. Now if these depro bastards think life is kak, it can get far more kak, and they should be grateful it is not.

I bet whereever they wake up I can find something worth living for. Now these farkers just need to dig deep and see what they look for is already inside them.

It is like being drunk on a chemical and telling yourself I will not succumb. You know it is possible.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The difference is Im a fighter. and when someone loses the will to fight, I will egg him on. Now if these depro bastards think life is kak, it can get far more kak, and they should be grateful it is not.


No, when you have something to fight against life is easier. You really have no idea (not a dig and not unusual, most people don't).

Kradmelder wrote:
I bet whereever they wake up I can find something worth living for. Now these farkers just need to dig deep and see what they look for is already inside them.

It is like being drunk on a chemical and telling yourself I will not succumb. You know it is possible.


Far from it. The chemical IS what makes people think like that, and they are producing the chemical. Not something they can control. Just many people are lucky enough not to be in that situation, or have other things to hammer it in even more once in that situation.

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:41 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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The difference is Im a fighter. and when someone loses the will to fight, I will egg him on. Now if these depro bastards think life is kak, it can get far more kak, and they should be grateful it is not.


No, when you have something to fight against life is easier. You really have no idea (not a dig and not unusual, most people don't).

Kradmelder wrote:
I bet whereever they wake up I can find something worth living for. Now these farkers just need to dig deep and see what they look for is already inside them.

It is like being drunk on a chemical and telling yourself I will not succumb. You know it is possible.


Far from it. The chemical IS what makes people think like that, and they are producing the chemical. Not something they can control. Just many people are lucky enough not to be in that situation, or have other things to hammer it in even more once in that situation.

All the best

Keith


I have lots to fight against. Darkies trying to kill me, trying to deny my kids a future because of their colour. I cant see wasting the time on the luxury of depression. It solves nothing and is self indulgent.

These chemcial imbalance things, cant they figure what triggers it? Like for me, being at a yuppie joll makes me angry and aggressive. I hate that frivolouse mentality.I hate all hoity toity shit yet my professional life brings me in contact with it. I know it so avoid it.

like there must be some way to get these depros out of their mouse treadmill. Like make them say I wont run in circles anymore.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These chemcial imbalance things, cant they figure what triggers it? Like for me, being at a yuppie joll makes me angry and aggressive. I hate that frivolouse mentality.I hate all hoity toity shit yet my professional life brings me in contact with it. I know it so avoid it.


You're still thinking in terms of cause and effect.

You could fall over and break your leg tomorrow. You could get depression tomorrow. You can't stop either of them happening, and you can't just 'fix' either of them with the power of thought.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have lots to fight against. Darkies trying to kill me, trying to deny my kids a future because of their colour. I cant see wasting the time on the luxury of depression. It solves nothing and is self indulgent.


And also something you cannot control. It is no more self indulgent or a luxury than feeling for your kids.

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These chemcial imbalance things, cant they figure what triggers it? Like for me, being at a yuppie joll makes me angry and aggressive. I hate that frivolouse mentality.I hate all hoity toity shit yet my professional life brings me in contact with it. I know it so avoid it.


Depends what you mean by trigger it? If you mean the actual chemicals then you can try drugging yourself up to overcome it. Or you can try talking through it and overcoming it.

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like there must be some way to get these depros out of their mouse treadmill. Like make them say I wont run in circles anymore.


Maybe, but telling people to mtfu, pull out of it, tell them it is self indulgent, etc, does nothing positive at all because it is not something people can control themselves. No more than you can control any bodily functions or emotions.

All the best

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tbourner wrote:
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These chemcial imbalance things, cant they figure what triggers it? Like for me, being at a yuppie joll makes me angry and aggressive. I hate that frivolouse mentality.I hate all hoity toity shit yet my professional life brings me in contact with it. I know it so avoid it.


You're still thinking in terms of cause and effect.

You could fall over and break your leg tomorrow. You could get depression tomorrow. You can't stop either of them happening, and you can't just 'fix' either of them with the power of thought.


dont know bru. just wish you depro ous would find a way out of it, what a waste of talent.

i suspect no one will have the answer as you want no one to have the answer. Somehow it is where you want to be
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