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PostPosted: 21:02 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Which useless civil servant thought this up? Reply with quote
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224349/Poor-drivers-priced-motorways-new-road-tax-proposals.html

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The two-tier road tax: Poorer drivers could be forced off motorways as government proposes charge for access to major routes

Officials are examining plans for an overhaul of vehicle excise duty which raises £6 billion a year
All drivers would pay the first charge allowing them to use local roads and A-roads
But then motorists wanting to use motorways and major A-roads would fork out for a second charge


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PostPosted: 21:06 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Could also be either a slow news day for the Daily Fail or the government diverting attention from something else unpopular that is about to emerge.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
depends what the charge for not using the motorways was. if it was somehting like price of 6 months current tax amounting to 12 months no motorway tax i'd be relatively happy.

i'm 50 miles from the nearest one though so that might be a factor.

the french pay tolls to use their motorways, in what way is this different other than the collection method?
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
ocatoro wrote:

the french pay tolls to use their motorways, in what way is this different other than the collection method?


They also don't have any road tax, while their petrol is about the same price and their diesel a lot cheaper.

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PostPosted: 22:39 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
There is news, then there is the speculative fiction which is the Daily Fail's stock in trade.

I didn't count the number of "could" and "would"s in that story. Lots though.
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
ocatoro wrote:

the french pay tolls to use their motorways, in what way is this different other than the collection method?


They also don't have any road tax, while their petrol is about the same price and their diesel a lot cheaper.

All the best

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Plus their roads are not full of holes like the rough tracks our paid for roads have become
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Daily Mail... nuff said. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
ocatoro wrote:
the french pay tolls to use their motorways, in what way is this different other than the collection method?

I bet you didn't even celebrate St Crispin's Day last Thurday, you heathen. Mad

They could just sack off VED, and the V part of the DVLA, and put it on fuel duty or (gasp) general taxation. Job done.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
what is st crispin the st of, tax wankers?

just saying like, to a lot of people, not using the motorway wouldn't be a great sacrifice. especially if it meant saving a few quid.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 28 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Erm sorry to break the news, but this is already happening in this country.

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PostPosted: 00:31 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
ahhh so thats where all our road tax goes, on the 62 plate Range Rovers of civil servants!
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PostPosted: 01:29 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
For fucks sake, how many people in this thread are saying "Put petrol up by a few pence" ?

Hasn't it been put up by enough few pence as it is?

With the extra VAT that the government has received from rising fuel costs since 2007, road tax could have been scrapped altogether.

And if we're paying by the mile then fuel had better be bloody free!
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nick 50 wrote:
Erm sorry to break the news, but this is already happening in this country.

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PostPosted: 09:47 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
keggyhander wrote:
For fucks sake, how many people in this thread are saying "Put petrol up by a few pence" ?

Hello.

keggyhander wrote:
Hasn't it been put up by enough few pence as it is?

Yes.

keggyhander wrote:
With the extra VAT that the government has received from rising fuel costs since 2007, road tax could have been scrapped altogether.

Eh. They're going to keep raping us for more and more duty anyway. Would you rather that they do that and screw around with road pricing and the associated costs of employing even more Swansea inbreds to administer it?

That's the part that really bugs me, inventing ever more new "jobs" for oxygen thieves just to take them off the dole. I'd far rather that we just sacked half of DVLA, and then we'd never have to mess around with VED again.


ocatoro wrote:
just saying like, to a lot of people, not using the motorway wouldn't be a great sacrifice. especially if it meant saving a few quid.

It won't be though. They need to raise more money to fund their moats. Nobody will be "saving" anything, it'll be extra cost.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
ocatoro wrote:
what is st crispin the st of

Cobblers.

ocatoro wrote:
...just saying like, to a lot of people, not using the motorway wouldn't be a great sacrifice. especially if it meant saving a few quid.

IIRC like for like in France many normal roads just run alongside the motorway so no big deal if don't want to take. Not so easy here plus we're a smaller country anyhow. Here just popping on and off a motorway has become part of a daily commute because they're designed that way now. I can't actually think of a like-for-like comparison that'd work here.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
This story has appeared on other news outlets today.

It's a really rather stupid idea that would probably lead to more road deaths, due to more traffic being funnelled down single-carriageway A-roads, instead of the far safer motorways Doh!

Interesting that, according to the BBC, charging per mile (or charging more at peak times) has been ruled out. It's something I would oppose, mainly due to civil liberty concerns plus the near-certainty that in the future the 'black box' will become a personal speed camera. However it is at least the most logical solution - charging according to how much people use the roads, and whether they use them at peak times or not (and therefore whether they contribute towards congestion at those times).

The most laughable statement of all is this:

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The plans would not necessarily mean those using motorways pay more than at present, a Treasury source said.


Of course it will! Otherwise the treasury would be at a net loss from the introduction of this policy. The whole point of this review of motoring taxation is that the treasury is worried that its enormous tax take from the motorist is being undermined, comically, by it's own policies. Low- or zero-rate VED for 'green' cars, coupled with their lower fuel consumption, is leading to falling revenue from VED and fuel duty. Therefore they're looking for ways to try and plug the gap.

A far better way to do it, IMO, would be to bring up the free/very low rates of VED that greenie-wagons currently enjoy.
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I think they should make smokers pay more and scrap the VED. Evil or Very Mad Very Happy
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And create an even greater incentive for smuggling? Rolling Eyes
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Analogy:

A 3p increase in fuel duty is like having to suck off Jimmy Savile.

Road tolls are like being gang-raped by large black men.

When the road toll gang rapes are announced as not going ahead we'll be so relieved we'll happily nosh away on Sir James.
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Hairy Tom wrote:
ahhh so thats where all our road tax goes, on the 62 plate Range Rovers of civil servants!


Unlikely. Even a deputy director of a department wouldn't be able to afford one, let alone us proles on the front line Wink
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 29 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
keggyhander wrote:

A 3p increase in fuel duty is like having to suck off Jimmy Savile.


Shocked You're either very poor or relatively attracted to Sir Jimmy, god rest his soul Crying or Very sad Sucking the foul old crone off would be more unpleasant than shelling out 3p on the litre.

3p is, at worst, like him putting his hand up your school shorts whilst sitting in the crowd on Top of the Pops.
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Golden Showers wrote:
THats what you get for voting Tory. And you wonder why the Scots are sick of you. There are no Tories in Scotland.


well.. to be fair. petrols still the same price it was around here as it was around 18 months ago. they also cancelled labours extra 5 p increase post election.

where fuel is concerned the tories have been an utter breath of fresh air compared to brown's weekly 4p increases.
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^^^
Pro tip: don't get into a debate with people who think that Braveheart was a documentary.

I honestly can't understand why the tories haven't just sacked half the DVLA and had done with it. It's not like Swansea will vote anything other than arterial red either way.
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