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PostPosted: 23:15 - 09 Nov 2012    Post subject: You're a nonce - ohh hang on you're not Reply with quote

Well the media witch hunt has gone and labelled a 70 year old man a peer of the realm no less as a paedophile.

Oh hang on it wasn't him. FFS

At least the alleged victim came forward straight away and rebuffed it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20277732

Great day for the bbc and for ITV (Day break).
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

David Cameron did a good job of keeping his cool on that programme, he was visibly furious. Ratings seeking Phillip Schofield and ITV are quite likely to face libel over this too.

What an idiot Brick Wall
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what happened? BBC "UNCONVERS PAEDOPHILE RING OMGSCANDAL!" but then realised "oh shit it was fake", am I on the ball?
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem as I see it, is that the 'common' people are so furious about another 'old boys' coverup, the media think they can get away with saying what they want and accusing people on the flimsiest evidence.

It puts people like Cameron in a bad position cause if he lambasts the paper/journalist/tv for doing it and it is later proved the bloke accused did fiddle, it's going to be screamed from the roof tops that the PM covered up for one of his cronies.

I don't normally give a toss about the media fucking up politicians but in this case they are sailing very close to the wind.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Panem et Circenses.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So no chance that McAlpine made a quick and crafty payoff to the victim to get him to say he'd 'made a mistake'? Not like that hasn't happened before (Michael Jackson for one).
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its possible a mistake has been made, but considering the victim apology now, when he'd been threatened with death before, means the truth will remain unproven and elusive.

Has he caved in, excepted cash, and lots of it.

The truth nearly always comes out in the end, when allegiance's fade.

As each year goes by, the more and more cynical and despairing of what the truth actually is, I become. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why does the original post make it sound as though it is wrong to accuse a 70 year old man? Age does not lessen the severity of the deed.

BUT ... I agree with Keggers. Whilst people are flapping over this, what is being kept hidden/moved forward/what laws are they slipping in under cover of such "dramas"? Smoke and mirrors, sleight of hand.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but mud sticks, people remember the accused and not the mistaken identities.

Naming people before even being charged is not on imo, no matter the amount of evidence.

Although reporting of masses of evidence and questioning why no charges is a OK with me, and what forms part of our so called freedom under democracy.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is where naming a person for a crime they may or may not have commited falls down, but on the other hand if they had done the deed it may have given other victims courage to come forward.

Did they name those on here for their crimes before conviction or did they wait till after?
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
David Cameron did a good job of keeping his cool on that programme, he was visibly furious.


Confused
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
Why does the original post make it sound as though it is wrong to accuse a 70 year old man? Age does not lessen the severity of the deed.

BUT ... I agree with Keggers. Whilst people are flapping over this, what is being kept hidden/moved forward/what laws are they slipping in under cover of such "dramas"? Smoke and mirrors, sleight of hand.


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Expect another round of headlines on this around the 20th/24th ish when they debate the budget again Wink

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Im-a-Ridah wrote:
David Cameron did a good job of keeping his cool on that programme, he was visibly furious.


Confused


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PostPosted: 22:07 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:


BUT ... I agree with Keggers. Whilst people are flapping over this, what is being kept hidden/moved forward/what laws are they slipping in under cover of such "dramas"? Smoke and mirrors, sleight of hand.




It's the publication of the Leveson enquiry findings. The findings are widely expected to recommend the UK government impose laws which amount to removing UK press freedom and will allow government and police to censor the news for the flimsy reason some MPs didn't change their voice mail passwords.

So when we see an MP fiddle expenses like MP Margaret Moran (who really made fake invoices) they can cover it up.


Another step on the way to a banana monarchy eh?>

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/9667063/Leveson-Inquiry-A-free-press-is-in-the-public-interest.html


Call me a mad tin foil hatter, seems that this might have been engineered far too conveniently to provide ammo for the pro censorship brigade.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well hang on. There was more than one name on that list. To me, it has the smell of an establishment coverup along the lines of Hillsborough and Bloody Sunday.

How is it that guilt can take months to establish, but innocence takes 24 hours? Surely due process goes both ways?

That said though, they have picked on this one person while seeming to completely forget about the other names.

And yes, to put the last of my scattered thoughts down, agree again with keggy, dammit. Bread and circuses, though this government is parsimonious with the bread.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 10 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aka tight as fuck for 95 % of BCF -

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/parsimonious
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You took issue with parsimonious, but not Panem et Circenses?
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PostPosted: 01:36 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bread and Circuses needs updating anyway.

"iPhones and Paedohysteria" sums this shithole of a country up.
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PostPosted: 01:52 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
Bread and Circuses needs updating anyway.

"iPhones and Paedohysteria" sums this shithole of a country up.


Both like rats, can be found within 6 metres of anyone, or so one would come to beleive. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very credible witness indeed:-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2231212/A-victim-delusions-Astonishing-story-BBC-DIDNT-tell-troubled-star-witness.html
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daily mail lol, good point, but that article stinks of furthering the smear campaign, even banging on about a fraud offence he was aquited from.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

covdude wrote:
Daily mail lol, good point, but that article stinks of furthering the smear campaign, even banging on about a fraud offence he was aquited from.


You've missed the point of that article. They're not smearing him to recover McAlpine's reputation, they're doing it to sully the BBC's!

The DM had to make a choice between two of their favourite things - Paedogeddon vs damaging the BBC.

It's a real shame that even the slightest hint of a paedo story seems to stick. McAlpine was named by known liar and 'investigated' via a hasty and ill-conceived bit of journalism. Somehow though the underlying opinion here is he did it and it's a big cover up.

It all smacks of the old brass eye...
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

But as McAlpine is a sociopathic scumbag anyway what does it matter how he's trashed?
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
But as McAlpine is a sociopathic scumbag anyway what does it matter how he's trashed?


That's a bit to close to the police's modus operandi of "If you're innocent of THAT, we'll get you for something else", for my liking.
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
But as McAlpine is a sociopathic scumbag anyway what does it matter how he's trashed?


You come across as totally reasonable sometimes and then as a complete idiot at other times. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 11 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
But as McAlpine is a sociopathic scumbag anyway what does it matter how he's trashed?

Totally reasonable. Thumbs Up

No joke, they got Capone (and Berlusconi) for tax evasion. Which "Lord" McAlpine also knows quite a bit about.

Are you really a Tory "peer" if you're banned from the Lords for being a tax dodging non-dom? Thinking
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