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PostPosted: 13:29 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: DJ Equipment Reply with quote

Right, this was going to wait until after Christmas but I was introduced into someone who was after a DJ who seemed quite interested in the sort of music I play and stuff like that so need to get my act together in the next couple of weeks.

I've done a few 'gigs' at the local pub, nothing major but I wanted the experience in playing for the audience and such as well as mixing live etc when you can't really afford to make any mistakes.

At the moment, I'm using virtual DJ. I've got a sound card with 2 outputs so send the sound from deck 1 down one channel and the sound from deck 2 down the other, then wire these into an external mixer.

Now, I've kinda reached my limit on this really. I'm continually finding I want more hardware control.

So I've reached the point where I need to spend a bit of money on some gear.... So here's my question.

Do I go for a cheap ish usb dj controller like the reloop beatmix for example? Get used to using the hardware, and removing the need for the sync button etc. Have a bash at this for a while, do a few more low end sort of gigs and then spank a load of money on some CDJ's and a mixer?

Or do spend a little bit more on one, say £300 ish?

Or do I just go and buy some CDJ's and have a bash on them?

I mean really my question is, is it acceptable to turn up to a club with virtual dj and a usb dj controller?

I'm a bit stuck really, sorry if this post isn't very informative but hopefully someone will know what I mean!
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pioneer CDJ's are pretty much industry standard, so thats what you want to aim for. Even a pair of CDJ800mk2 to start off with (£500-600/pair) just to get familer with their platform.

Truth is you can't get to a professional standard without professional equipment.

Aye Clubs are familer with DJ's who use USB controllers, you just have to check ahead with them, mainly for getting your gear hooked into the club system, sometimes it's easier going through the resident mixer if your connections are limited (as they usually are with cheap controllers)

If your serious about DJ'in, splash out. Ambition is just a boundry, dedication and commitment is everything.
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work in a club who regularly hosts world renowned DJ's alongside local acts 7 nights a week, they ALL use CDJ's or vinyl with serato or tracktor. Dj'ing off a laptop is standard now but it's not an invitation to cut corners.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work in a club who regularly hosts world renowned DJ's alongside local acts 7 nights a week, they ALL use CDJ's or vinyl with serato or tracktor. Dj'ing off a laptop is standard now but it's not an invitation to cut corners.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fire wrote:
Pioneer CDJ's are pretty much industry standard, so thats what you want to aim for. Even a pair of CDJ800mk2 to start off with (£500-600/pair) just to get familer with their platform.

Truth is you can't get to a professional standard without professional equipment.

Aye Clubs are familer with DJ's who use USB controllers, you just have to check ahead with them, mainly for getting your gear hooked into the club system, sometimes it's easier going through the resident mixer if your connections are limited (as they usually are with cheap controllers)

If your serious about DJ'in, splash out. Ambition is just a boundry, dedication and commitment is everything.


So, if say I bought myself a controller to get used to scratching and beat matching without the use of the sync button etc.... did a few small/ lower end gigs with this set up and say in a years time with more experience and a bit of money under my belt splash out on a proper set up with CDJ's, would that be the best way forward?

Reason I want to have a go with the controller is I've never used anything with a jog wheel or similar before so want to see if I'm as good with it as I think I'll be.

In a year, I want to be in a high end club with CDJ's and doing it all properly but its a big investment just now for something that I'm still learning a lot about.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

And on another note can someone explain the advantages and dis advantages or serato, virtual dj and tracktor?
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:

So, if say I bought myself a controller to get used to scratching and beat matching without the use of the sync button etc.... did a few small/ lower end gigs with this set up and say in a years time with more experience and a bit of money under my belt splash out on a proper set up with CDJ's, would that be the best way forward?

Reason I want to have a go with the controller is I've never used anything with a jog wheel or similar before so want to see if I'm as good with it as I think I'll be.

In a year, I want to be in a high end club with CDJ's and doing it all properly but its a big investment just now for something that I'm still learning a lot about.


Sounds resonable to me. To master beatmatching wiill take a year alone, and it will be filled with brick walls and frustration which will require a degree persisitance to overcome.

Just make sure you record yourself and listen back. Your able to pick up on so many more errors this way, and most importantly HOW your making them. Mixing live takes away our analytical aspect usually because our brain is occupied with what were doing.

I use Serato and Traktor. The biggest advantage for me is the search function. Ontop of that, you can save your cue points and loops.

Serato is more for organic DJ's who want to keep dj'in true to its original form. It has less functions and abilities, but that means less can go wrong. Serato coupled with a good mixer like a Pioneer DJM800 which holds lots of high quality effects is a very good proffesional setup. However, Serato is much more expensive. There high end 4 deck enabled setup (SL4) is around £300 more than Traktors (Audio 10)

Traktor is for the modern day DJ, it has so many functions and capabilities that it almosts blurs the line between DJ'in and Live Producing. It broadens your creativity and gives you so many more options when mixing a set. All of its effects are held in the software, so it takes away the need for a an expensive mixer with lots of effects. However sometimes people can get carried away with all these functions, when all the audience wants is, for you to play the fuckin tune.

The main disadvantrage with using Software based interfaces was the conectivity. when you wanted to swap a software DJ for a CD dj, it required pulling out and changing cables around on the mixer, wanna do back to back? No chance! But with all the latest gear coming out, they have addressed all these issues, because the latest pioneer CDJs have mutiple connectivity when you can switch from CD, to software to USB in a press of a button. Well theres always gonna be having to carry your laptop and hadrware around with you.
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 13 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect response, answered all my questions... Thank you.

Had a play at recording myself back yesterday as well, quite interesting to listen to it back actually... so will have a play with this as well.
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PostPosted: 01:18 - 14 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not go the old skool route, get some basic kit and learn how to beat match by ear?

Once you know how to do that, then move on to more techy stuff and be confident that you can use whatever kit you're faced with.

As Fire said, there's a place for effects and techy showoffs, but what the audience really want is choons they can groove to, so just get the farking song on, forget all the 'I'm a tech wizard' bollox, unless you're into competitive DJing.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 14 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
Why not go the old skool route, get some basic kit and learn how to beat match by ear?

Once you know how to do that, then move on to more techy stuff and be confident that you can use whatever kit you're faced with.

As Fire said, there's a place for effects and techy showoffs, but what the audience really want is choons they can groove to, so just get the farking song on, forget all the 'I'm a tech wizard' bollox, unless you're into competitive DJing.


I totally agree, and I don't particularly have a massive interest in making any crazy mixes because like you say most of the time the audicence want you to just play the song.

When you say old school are you referring to vinyl?
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 14 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

We refuse to go down the laptop route as we worry that if the laptop crashes we am just standing there looking stupid.

I personnaly like having 20 seconds left of a track and nothing set up on the other side and feeling the panic rising up from my guts!

https://www.numark.com/product/icdmix3

thats what we use, all our music is MP3's and sometimes the Ipod dock gets used for requests that we might not have.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 14 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:


I totally agree, and I don't particularly have a massive interest in making any crazy mixes because like you say most of the time the audicence want you to just play the song.

When you say old school are you referring to vinyl?


Not necessarily vinyl, although it is making a slow but steady comeback and you can pick up a pair of SLs for quite sensible money these days.

I was thinking more like basic CD players and a straightforward mixer.

Funny hellbound should post a link to Numark, because I was looking at some of their kit the other day.

They do a good range of stuff at reasonable prices and I've always found it to be reliable, even with quite hard use.

My personal preference is for separate componants, on the basis that if something breaks, you don't lose your whole kit to the repairer, plus you can normally get them to lend you a stand in, while it's being fixed.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 14 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
0l0dom0l0 wrote:


I totally agree, and I don't particularly have a massive interest in making any crazy mixes because like you say most of the time the audicence want you to just play the song.

When you say old school are you referring to vinyl?


Not necessarily vinyl, although it is making a slow but steady comeback and you can pick up a pair of SLs for quite sensible money these days.

I was thinking more like basic CD players and a straightforward mixer.

Funny hellbound should post a link to Numark, because I was looking at some of their kit the other day.

They do a good range of stuff at reasonable prices and I've always found it to be reliable, even with quite hard use.

My personal preference is for separate componants, on the basis that if something breaks, you don't lose your whole kit to the repairer, plus you can normally get them to lend you a stand in, while it's being fixed.


I was looking at the Numark Mixtrack Pro as a controller. Seems they do some very good quality kit!
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 14 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Started with Kam twin CD players witha pioneer 4 channel mixer

Then Upgraded to Stanton twin Mp3 players with the same mixer

Then got the whole thing in one to save space and time in setting up

Also just bought Active speakers so I no longer need an amp either.
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PostPosted: 01:59 - 17 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traktor with Stanton ST150 Turntables still. Took me a year to master beatmatching. But then realised even tho i could match the beats i still had to learn how to get two Trance tune to match in Harmony.
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