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PostPosted: 15:52 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: No thread on gaza? Reply with quote

Looks like shits about to hit the fan, again.

Of there is ever a proper wwIII I'm sure it will be Israel stirring things in the middle east like this!

Personally I'm definitely on the side of the Palestinians with this.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Israeli's will wipe the floor with them.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sympathise with innocent people getting caught up in it all. At the same time I think that Israeli, can't afford to show weakness. Given their being surrounded by enemies.

That said, time has shown that Israelis are pretty good at fighters; I wouldn't fuck with them and think I'd get away with it.

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A battle between Egyptian M1's (export version I know) and Israeli Merkava's would be interesting. I'm not sure of any recent examples of "modern" western tanks going head-to-head for real.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:21 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They may wipe the floor if it was just the Palestinians, but Egypt have offered assistance already and Iran wouldn't be far behind if it kicked off. No doubt uncle sam would back Israel if the shit hit the fan.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They've been bombing the crap out of each other for years. There isn't a right and wrong any more. No winners, just losers. No goodies, just baddies. But on both sides a vast majority just trying to get on with their lives.

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PostPosted: 16:28 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:

A battle between Egyptian M1's (export version I know) and Israeli Merkava's would be interesting. I'm not sure of any recent examples of "modern" western tanks going head-to-head for real.


The Israeli's would win the tank war no contest simply due to the fact that their crews are of vastly superior quality. Even if they swapped vehicles, the Israeli's would still win. This was much the same with US/UK forces vs Iraq, even if they swapped tanks, US/UK would have still won!

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They may wipe the floor if it was just the Palestinians, but Egypt have offered assistance already and Iran wouldn't be far behind if it kicked off. No doubt uncle sam would back Israel if the shit hit the fan.


They'd beat Egypt too if needed. The main assistance they would require from the USA is supplies of things like food and oil. Don't fall into the mistake of comparing lists of equipment, it rarely works out that way in practice. The Israelis are so much more effective than the Egyptians on a per weapon basis, as are most of the Western European forces.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:


The Israeli's would win the tank war no contest simply due to the fact that their crews are of vastly superior quality. Even if they swapped vehicles, the Israeli's would still win. This was much the same with US/UK forces vs Iraq, even if they swapped tanks, US/UK would have still won!



I don't doubt you at all. Looking at the merkava design its all about tank crew survivability. A lost crew is much more damaging to Israel than a lost tank.

I would genuinely like to see first world tanks, even with equal crews fight. AFAIK, they are pretty much all so good that differences are minimal. One might have a slight edge in one area, but thats about it. I heard that merkava 4 is the best tank in the world for armour. Sadly mostly it seems that "Top ten MBT" lists are all written by americans; so naturally the abrams comes up tops. Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Israelis stomp on Palestinians.
Palestinians blow up Israelis.
Rest of the world gets irritated, immediate neighbours step in to back Palestinians.
Israelis label immediate neighbours Anti-Semitic, immediate neighbours label Israelis Zionist.
Bystanders die, with a 30:1 ratio of Palestinians to Israelis.

Business as usual.

This has been going on for a very, very long time*, and every time someone calls the Israelis to task on it, the answer is either "you're an anti-semitic neo-nazi, I'm going to tell America of you", or (my personal favourite) "God said we should do this".

*This particular argument predates Christianity by at least a millenium. No amount of hand-wringing on behalf of Western powers is going to change it; the Romans gave up on them - I don't see the UN having any greater success. Realistically, the only way that Israel will ever be convinced to stop acting like a dick is if a much bigger nation stomps on them. It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if these prats are the ones hat start the third world war. Of course if they do, they will deny all culpability, because accounting for one's actions is for losers.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coolest shit I have seen in a while

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=918_1352982373
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

“Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip.”(Haaretz, November 15, 2012)

Haaretz is an Israeli newspaper.

https://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-peace-activist-hamas-leader-jabari-killed-amid-talks-on-long-term-truce.premium-1.478085
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:58 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:37 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:

The Israeli's would win the tank war no contest simply due to the fact that their crews are of vastly superior quality. Even if they swapped vehicles, the Israeli's would still win. This was much the same with US/UK forces vs Iraq, even if they swapped tanks, US/UK would have still won!


Tank vs tank? What is this the 1950s? Today is all about asymetric warfare.

Why would anybody go toe to toe with the IDF? Why not do the smart thing like the Lebanese did in 2006? Hide and use anti tank missiles?

5-10 IDF tanks were destroyed outright and 30+ were disabled.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 16 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
Coolest shit I have seen in a while

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=918_1352982373



Thats the most stupid thing I've seen ever. So they're using $50,000 missiles to destroy $10 rockets? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 17 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

For years now, Israel has played the bully boy of the midde east. It takes land off the Palestinians ( an already displaced people thanks to British intervention in setting up the state of Israel) and squeezes them into an ever decreasing state. When the Palestinians get fed up with starvation, fuel and electricity shortages, poor medical facilities, etc and lob the odd mortar at Israel they respond with heavy handed retaliation and scream anti- semitism to all who dare criticise.
As previously mentioned this has been going on for most of our lifetimes and every so often some foreign ambassador will stick their oar in and draft a peace treaty which both sides agree to disagree on and so it continues.
Things however are on the change and as OP put it, if there's ever going to be WWIII it's going to kick off here. The Arab world has spent the last few years determining its future direction and as each country finds common ground with its newly 'democratic' Muslim neighbours this is almost certain to lead to general distaste with Israel. More so that that previous stabilising force in the Middle East, Syria, has one or two other pressing things in its current agenda!
Our own Mr Hague has already blamed Hamas for the current escalation, it would seem our nation is settling down on the Israeli front which should pitch us nicely against most of the folk in Europe, happy days!
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 17 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
The Artist wrote:
Coolest shit I have seen in a while

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=918_1352982373



Thats the most stupid thing I've seen ever. So they're using $50,000 missiles to destroy $10 rockets? Rolling Eyes


Because a $10 rocket can cause far more than $50k of damage not to mention the loss of life.
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PostPosted: 06:10 - 17 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XTDrVWzftNQ/Tgpk3HdrlVI/AAAAAAAAeCM/LdNiihIJnHA/s640/Dumb%2BHakim.jpg


'Hakim, why did you wait for the US election to be over before kicking this off with your little unguided rockets?'

'Because I'm sensitive to the requirements of western politicians'.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 17 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
The Artist wrote:
Coolest shit I have seen in a while

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=918_1352982373



Thats the most stupid thing I've seen ever. So they're using $50,000 missiles to destroy $10 rockets? Rolling Eyes


Like those idiots that use a £200k fire engine to put out a fire caused by a 10p box of matches.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 17 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should give Hamas precision guided missiles, so they can kill the head of the Isreal Army, tis only fair we level the playing field.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 17 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet more idiocy from Israhell.

Imagine the outcry if Iran openly assassinated another democratically elected leader from another country?

As always its one rule for Israel and one rule for the rest of the middle east.

I hope Egypt do get involved. It's about time the bully was given a bloody nose.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 17 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The USA has posted a ship off of the Israel coastline, supposedly not offering any intel to the Israelis though.

I'm sure this will blow over eventually as per usual, but honestly if there is ever a WWIII it will start this way, I'm sure nobody thought much of the assassination of Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand at the time either...
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 17 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:30 - 17 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick 50 wrote:
I hope Egypt do get involved. It's about time the bully was given a bloody nose.


I'd love to see Israel get put in its place by its neighbours but Egypt has just come out the other side of a revolution and is in no shape to take on a strong country like Israel, perhaps if Iran got involved also then that might even the game up.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 17 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope it all kicks off and you lot get conscripted. Meanwhile I'll be playing dad's army and providing company for all your wives and girlfriends Laughing
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