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PostPosted: 15:27 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: is / was there life on Mars ?? well we may find out soon Reply with quote

What is the great Martian mystery finding?

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So what has the NASA Mars rover Curiosity found that is so exciting that unnamed scientists at the agency are reporting it as 'earthshaking'? According to one named scientist at JPL, the Jet Propulsion Labs near Pasadena that built and operate the Curiosity probe, the finding will be 'one for the history books'. A big claim, but this scientist, Dr John Grotzinger, is keeping mum about what the finding actually is, save to say that it came from the rover's SAM (Sample Analysis at Mars) chemistry lab and will be revealed at a science conference on 3rd December.

No one outside NASA knows what the finding is and no one inside NASA is saying, so we can only speculate. The most obvious conclusion would be 'Curiosity has found life on Mars'. That would certainly be one for the history books, earthshaking indeed. But it seems unlikely. The rover is equipped to detect organic molecules, but remember the word 'organic' in a chemistry context does not mean 'alive' but merely 'contains carbon'.

Paraffin, petrol, polyester, propane and polythene are all organic but they are not alive. Curiosity is not equipped, as were the Viking landers which arrived 36 years ago with the sort of chemistry set needed to detect actual metabolising life-forms (a curious omission in my view and considering the tantalising ambiguity of the Viking results one that NASA has so far failed to satisfactorily explain).


https://www.informationweek.com/government/information-management/mars-mystery-heres-what-we-know/240142491

and on quite a few other science related sites
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw this a day or two ago, not much detail available,
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They always spout this shite to drum up interest, I think last time it was "scientists confirm that there might be, possibly, small chance, not really sure, but COULD be... that there was/is...water on mars....maybe....we don't really know, we'll need to send another robot up there, in about 25 years...at the cost of 3 trillion... to get a better idea of how maybe it might be, or have been there....possibly".

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PostPosted: 17:19 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

NASA can officially get fucked. Science by press release - or in this case, faux leak press teaser - is abhorrent. It's the worst of what the Far East does, spunking out fake results to get next quarter's funding.

It'll just be some rock that's likely to be formed under water, oooh, Mars had liquid water, stop the presses.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some NASA source wrote:
We're currently photoshopping the fuck out of some images so the results are palatable for the human livestock. Don't concern yourself - we're handling this.


NASA have edited and censored Mars surface images for a long time.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Some NASA source wrote:
We're currently photoshopping the fuck out of some images so the results are palatable for the human livestock. Don't concern yourself - we're handling this.


NASA have edited and censored Mars surface images for a long time.


They need to join the small pictures to make bigger ones.

Or do you mean hiding the spaceships and aliens? Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:16 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once had a guy who worked on Beagle 2 tell me on the condition of total secrecy that they had found it on the surface of mars. Had they fuck.
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon.....


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PostPosted: 19:43 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost wrote:
I once had a guy who worked on Beagle 2 tell me on the condition of total secrecy that they had found it on the surface of mars. Had they fuck.


it?

NASA, the department of defence, the government etc are almost incapable keeping a secret. The only areas they seem to have success in are those where only a small number of people are involved and where everything is heavily contained, and even then it may have leaked to spies, just not to the public.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost wrote:
I once had a guy


Tell us something we dont know....
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:

They need to join the small pictures to make bigger ones.

Or do you mean hiding the spaceships and aliens? Laughing


Several of the images from Spirit have had large areas classified and blanked out. Why they did that is anyone's guess but I wager it was to protect the small minded retards inhabiting this planet that cling to their 'knowledge' that we have been the only life in the universe...ever..

Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Frost wrote:
I once had a guy who worked on Beagle 2 tell me on the condition of total secrecy that they had found it on the surface of mars. Had they fuck.


it?


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Beagle_2_at_the_Space_Centre_-_Leicester_(452719107).jpg

It.
Apparently they had found a shadow with the exact same outline as they expected the opened flaps to make. Never heard anything about it since.

NASA can and do keep many secrets due to national security. Are they going to let all governments know how rocket / missile guidance systems work? Give out all the secrets behind GPS something the military are totally dependent on?
However lots of different people work at NASA from people with the highest security clearance, to student interns working for free. As with any big organisation rumours spread about anything and everything. All it takes it someone to overhear part of a conversation and take it out of context and then they're certain they know something that actually they don't.

For example, test for pollen on mars and you'll find it. Quite a lot of it. Evidence that plants exist?! No it's got stuck to the rover on earth. The stuff gets everywhere and is near impossible to completely prevent or get rid of. So they take a baseline measurement before launch then compare that to the results they get on Mars. Even a small increase in pollen readings can just come from measuring after touching some other part of the rover more contaminated. So someone could hear two guys talking about the increase in pollen levels detected yesterday and think they have found something truly amazing! Laughing

Results of experiments can be miss-leading, so everything is octuple checked before any word gets let out. The world of science is also a competitive one with the first one to get results out in a paper getting credit for things, and of course the fame and funding that can go with it.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

informationweek wrote:
Paraffin, petrol, polyester, propane and polythene are all organic but they are not alive.


They all begin with P as well. Thinking

After years of trying to kill the stuff in my sink and under the rim, the prospect of similar mouldy bits on another planet fails to excite me much.

Can we send all our mouldy bits there as well?
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Flatbadger"]
informationweek wrote:
Paraffin, petrol, polyester, propane and polythene are all organic but they are not alive.


but all of these come from the decayed remains of living organism's
remember coal & oil come from decomposed carbon life (tree's etc)

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Organic oils

Organic oils are produced in remarkable diversity by plants, animals, and other organisms through natural metabolic processes. Lipid is the scientific term for the fatty acids, steroids and similar chemicals often found in the oils produced by living things, while oil refers to an overall mixture of chemicals. Organic oils may also contain chemicals other than lipids, including proteins, waxes and alkaloids.

Lipids can be classified by the way that they are made by an organism, their chemical structure and their limited solubility in water compared to oils. They have a high carbon and hydrogen content and are considerably lacking in oxygen compared to other organic compounds and minerals; they tend to be relatively nonpolar molecules, but may include both polar and nonpolar regions as in the case of phospholipids and steroids.[6]
Mineral oils

Crude oil, or petroleum, and its refined components, collectively termed petrochemicals, are crucial resources in the modern economy. Crude oil originates from ancient fossilized organic materials, such as zooplankton and algae, which geochemical processes convert into oil.[7] It is classified as a mineral oil because it does not have an organic origin on human timescales, but is instead obtained from rocks, underground traps, or sands. Mineral oil also refers to several specific distillates of crude oil.

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PostPosted: 00:58 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost wrote:

It.
Apparently they had found a shadow with the exact same outline as they expected the opened flaps to make. Never heard anything about it since.



That is the worst explanation of "It" that I ever heard. Confused
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PostPosted: 01:05 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

personally I hope they find life / signs of it outside earth
it would put an end to all those religions that say god created earth with no mention of mars
and shake up our thoughts of being the only intelligent lifeform in the universe so superior
lets see the Vatican explain that one
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PostPosted: 02:21 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of all the millions... billions even... of other galaxies out there... we on this scabby little spec of dirt are the only life forms in the WHOLE universe.... yeah right.

Say for talking sake life actually started on Pluto.... and slowly over billions and billions of years that life form has been moving closer to the sun and evolving, and maybe a couple of billion years from now scientists go through all this claiming to have found evidence of life on whatever they call Earth then.

Maybe by then they will have invented the technology that isn't going to cost half a planets economy to say for certain that it's a rock (with strange lighting and shadows) and not a possible face
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PostPosted: 02:36 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know anything about this beyond the links in this thread but I daresay the only thing they could find on Mars that could be described as "earth shattering" would have to be evidence of life having existed there so I'll be interested to hear where this goes.

Not sure it would be that shattering though. The religious will just incorporate it into biblical interpretation like they have had to do with the age of the earth.

It wouldn't be that shattering for us science dweebs either really. I suspect the vast majority are quite comfortable with the idea that life must exist elsewhere in the universe. I would find it more astonishing if it didn't frankly; that would be truly earth shattering but is not something we could ever prove.

I think if you truly follow the scientific explanation for life, rather than the religious one, you basically must believe life will exist elsewhere.
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I think at one time Mars could have supported life (Atmosphere, water etc) but it never did. The mix of ingredients that Earth has are so rare that I dont think Mars could ever have had life.

That said, I'm of the belief that to think Earth is the only planet in the universe to support and sustain life is a very selfish notion. When you think about the amount of galaxies out there with the amount of stars there has to be some life out there somewhere.

Will we ever get to meet them? Nope. It would take us lightyears just to get out of our galaxy, using that formula it would take an alien race light years to get to ours. I dont think they will bother. Not because we are insignificant but simply because the logistics are a pain in the arse and not worth the effort.
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was but...

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PostPosted: 09:21 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
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I was thinking more like:


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PostPosted: 10:12 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.speshul.org/random/marsAtAt.jpg

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PostPosted: 10:59 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confident that there are other complex self replicating entities out there. So, where are they?

I expect that there's organic life, and there's whatever is keeping that organic life very quiet.

Personally I'd rather that we hushed up and didn't broadcast our presence to the galaxy. We're living on primo real estate, and we're both delicious and nutritious.

We're literally betting the species on the assumption that whatever is out there among the stars is benign, or sentient. That just beggars belief.
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