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PostPosted: 19:39 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: roundabouts, indicators and obs, ??? Reply with quote

I'm Probably just being neurotic but I have Mod 2 coming up. Could someone give a rundown of the use of indicators and neccesary observations on roundabouts.

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PostPosted: 19:53 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read the bloody highway code and get some instruction then these questions wouldn't need to be asked. passing on the cheap doesn't work out in the long run.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: roundabouts, indicators and obs, ??? Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
I'm Probably just being neurotic but I have Mod 2 coming up. Could someone give a rundown of the use of indicators and neccesary observations on roundabouts.

Cheers

How about you describe how you do it now rather than just asking 'how?'

I have to say I agree Skudd, passing on the cheap doesn't teach you how to ride. If you can afford it, get some intruction, even if you pass your test!
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: roundabouts, indicators and obs, ??? Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
I'm Probably just being neurotic but I have Mod 2 coming up. Could someone give a rundown of the use of indicators and neccesary observations on roundabouts.

Cheers


Indicators - use them in such a way to make your intentions clear to other road users

Observations - use them to check an area is clear before moving in to it

That's what it boils down to really and you should be able to figure that out yourself if you're going to remain alive on the roads.

Could there be a vehicle to your left in your blind spot as you want to exit the roundabout? If so, livesaver! It's what it's there for. That kind of thing.
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If traffic could be merging from your right and you've gone straight on or turning right then right life-saver not left
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely stuff like this is common sense?!
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

noobRider wrote:
If traffic could be merging from your right and you've gone straight on or turning right then right life-saver not left


You just have to look at how other users of roundabouts use them to know
that common sense is really lacking.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JFK wrote:
Surely stuff like this is common sense?!


Therein lies the problem.............. The problem with common sense is it ain't that common!

Brush up on utube vids if neccessary, but if you don't know by now then thats not being neurotic - somethings telling you that you ain't ready yet.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aproachoine a roundabout I look for an opening then do a left shoulder lifesaver then indicate if going left or right. Then before eitng look over my left shoulder again and if clear indicate and exit. Thing is I still indicate I'm exiting even if I'm going straight ahead. I do this because you can still have people sneaking up the inside. Mostly though I do more observations than above. But as I did say in my original post my worries are probably just nerves.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Aproachoine a roundabout I look for an opening then do a left shoulder lifesaver then indicate if going left or right. Then before eitng look over my left shoulder again and if clear indicate and exit. Thing is I still indicate I'm exiting even if I'm going straight ahead. I do this because you can still have people sneaking up the inside. Mostly though I do more observations than above. But as I did say in my original post my worries are probably just nerves.


Apart from the typos (predictive text on the iPad?), I'd say that's bang on and you have nothing to worry about.
I really would recommend some expert tuition though, even after you pass on Tuesday Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Aproachoine a roundabout I look for an opening then do a left shoulder lifesaver then indicate if going left or right. Then before eitng look over my left shoulder again and if clear indicate and exit. Thing is I still indicate I'm exiting even if I'm going straight ahead. I do this because you can still have people sneaking up the inside. Mostly though I do more observations than above. But as I did say in my original post my worries are probably just nerves.


Not sure what the shoulder check I've put in bold is for. As I'm understanding it you're already in the right lane and waiting to enter the roundabout. I would just give my mirrors a quick check if I stopped the enter.

The second thing that I highlighted in bold will depend on the roundabout in question. Often it may be unnecessary to do a left shoulder check and right shoulder check would be more beneficial. It all depends on the roundabout in question.

You just have to ask yourself where the possible dangers could be and check them. What the examiner is looking for is for you to be safe. There's no set rule for "safe" other than identifying things that pose you a danger and reacting to them.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I don't pass before jan 19th I'm going to do a DAS next spring if I do pass I'm going to get some advanced lessons. I feel i'll be able to enjoy and take in more if I'm taking lessons without it being preparation for a test. I know that sounds wierd but its how I feel.

Obviously on multi lane roundabouts more complex obs are needed but sometimes I feel like my heads on a swivel. Can you get faults for over observing?
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 25 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Obviously on multi lane roundabouts more complex obs are needed but sometimes I feel like my heads on a swivel. Can you get faults for over observing?


I'm unsure but I would guess yes. If you spend too much time looking what's going on behind/to the side of you then you've not got your eyes on the road ahead of you, where the vast majority of the danger is! Smile
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do a life saver and something is ther that shouldn't be, don't panic, don't brake, cancel left signal and go round again

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PostPosted: 00:19 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I dnt know about a test pass, but I tend to hug the kerb, or he roundabout, so traffic can only cut me up from one side not two, and often do a right shoulder check as I exit, too
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PostPosted: 00:59 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Aproachoine a roundabout I look for an opening then do a left shoulder lifesaver then indicate if going left or right. Then before eitng look over my left shoulder again and if clear indicate and exit. Thing is I still indicate I'm exiting even if I'm going straight ahead. I do this because you can still have people sneaking up the inside. Mostly though I do more observations than above. But as I did say in my original post my worries are probably just nerves.


Shoulder checks AFTER indicating which is AFTER mirror check.

Aside from turning left at a roundabout where a LEFT shoulder check is needed for undercutters use shoulder checks to where you are exposed, which is normally where the largest gap is.

Try using the search function of this forum.
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Urrrr I thought shoulder check before indicating then another check before moving position?
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PostPosted: 01:05 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Urrrr I thought shoulder check before indicating then another check before moving position?


Not if you have mirrors.
Mirror/Signal/Shoulder-check/Move
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Urrrr I thought shoulder check before indicating then another check before moving position?


Why the first shoulder check, you aren't moving position.

Keep your view on where you are going. Don't get caught in the trap of pointless shoulder checks for no reason.

Mirror, Signal, Shoulder check then move.

EDIT: cimbian beat me to it!
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On roundabouts I tend to use a proper look rather than just mirrors. Mirrors are ok on a straight but going round a bend (which a roundaboiut is essentially an unending bend) you can miss a lot looking in a mirror.
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PostPosted: 01:47 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: roundabouts, indicators and obs, ??? Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
I'm Probably just being neurotic but I have Mod 2 coming up. Could someone give a rundown of the use of indicators and neccesary observations on roundabouts.

Cheers


In all cases LOOK for traffic in the roundabout and

If you exit left: stay in left lane closer but not too close to the curb and in the same time own the whole lane

Mirrors, signal left before entering, left and right shoulder check, go left

If you go straight: own left lane

Mirrors, signal left before the exit, left check and right check (right is needed because cars from the inside lane may want to exit and as we all know they do not see bikes), you go exit.

If you exit 3rd, 4th and so on exits: position the way you own right lane

Mirrors, signal right before roundabout, before exit mirrors, signal left, left shoulder check, go exit.

For more then 2 lanes roundabout add right check for 3rd and 4th exits
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh....

Pay for some lessons and get propper instruction. The myriad of different answers you get here can be confusing and counter-productive.

Approaching a junction/roundabout the procedure is OSM/PSL

Observations - left then right mirror
Signal - turn it on
Manoeuvre into the correct Position - get in lane/change lane positioning but before you move you do a LIFESAVER
Speed - slow down
Look - is it clear

This is general guidance as roundabouts are very different, have lots of different lanes, some have marked lanes for certain exits etc. etc.

Turning left at roundabout - left lifesaver as you exit, cancel indicators quick mirror check, accelerate

Straight on - no signal on approach, left signal on as you pass the centre point of the previous exit, left lifesaver as you exit, cancel indicators quick mirror check, accelerate

Turning right - right signal on approach, left signal on as you pass the centre point of the previous exit and a left lifesaver to move over into left lane then another lifesaver as you exit, cancel indicators quick mirror check, accelerate

The point of a left lifesaver on exit is to check the cagers are not creeping out and up the inside of you - the lifesaver should really have you staring them in the face as they wait.

Remember - when you change SPEED you check your MIRRORS (left then right)
When you change your LANE POSITION or move away from the side of the road you do a LIFESAVER
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the run down of procedures. I do all that stuff plus a bit more.

As for instruction I probably would have but was put off signing up for lessons by the CBT instructors.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Thanks for the run down of procedures. I do all that stuff plus a bit more.

As for instruction I probably would have but was put off signing up for lessons by the CBT instructors.


Well that was some pretty god damn bad advice!
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 26 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Boozehawk wrote:
Thanks for the run down of procedures. I do all that stuff plus a bit more.

As for instruction I probably would have but was put off signing up for lessons by the CBT instructors.


Well that was some pretty god damn bad advice!


What?
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