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PostPosted: 13:08 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Theres a local bike mechanic over this way that always plays the 'lets change the brake pads' trick, a mate measured his after he did this and he also had 1.5mm left, he challenged the mechanic and he says he like to play things safely!!!! Thats shocking, I know riders that ride so little that 1.5mm of brake pad would last them a year!

Go back and complain for sure
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZmgqOvDaXU&feature=youtu.be
i made a wee film of my 2 bike's , it's a bit shaky !


Funny how everyone like to slag Suzuki's corrosion resistance as being not up to par, and the 'busa still looks immaculate after 19,000 miles.

If Victory don't put this right they deserve to lose all those £15,000 sales


I'm one of Suzukis harshed critics on here, but I have always said the GSXR's appear to be well built. It's everything else that rots to buggery.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:

I'm one of Suzukis harshed critics on here, but I have always said the GSXR's appear to be well built. It's everything else that rots to buggery.


The Japanese built Suzukis seem OK, it's the farmed out ones that are crap.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
flyer wrote:
Theres a local bike mechanic over this way that always plays the 'lets change the brake pads' trick, a mate measured his after he did this and he also had 1.5mm left, he challenged the mechanic and he says he like to play things safely!!!! Thats shocking, I know riders that ride so little that 1.5mm of brake pad would last them a year!


Anything less than 1.5mm brake pad material on non sintered pads is an MOT failure (1mm for sintered pads).

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 02:05 - 01 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 01 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've been banned from posting on the victory Uk facebook page for showing their followers just what a shower of shit victory motorcycles are.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 01 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
stuartt wrote:
i said no as a matter of principle .


I don't have those sort of principles.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 01 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
flyer wrote:
Theres a local bike mechanic over this way that always plays the 'lets change the brake pads' trick, a mate measured his after he did this and he also had 1.5mm left, he challenged the mechanic and he says he like to play things safely!!!! Thats shocking, I know riders that ride so little that 1.5mm of brake pad would last them a year!


Anything less than 1.5mm brake pad material on non sintered pads is an MOT failure (1mm for sintered pads).

All the best

Keith


The garage can't let the bike out with anything that could be called a dangerous fault. If there's an accident and anyone mentions worn brake linings, the customer may attempt to sue the garage.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 01 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
flyer wrote:
Theres a local bike mechanic over this way that always plays the 'lets change the brake pads' trick, a mate measured his after he did this and he also had 1.5mm left, he challenged the mechanic and he says he like to play things safely!!!! Thats shocking, I know riders that ride so little that 1.5mm of brake pad would last them a year!


Anything less than 1.5mm brake pad material on non sintered pads is an MOT failure (1mm for sintered pads).

All the best

Keith


Also note that the service limit specified by the manufacturer will be higher than that. Anyone who complains about having brake pads changed at 1.5mm is a tool.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 01 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
The garage can't let the bike out with anything that could be called a dangerous fault. If there's an accident and anyone mentions worn brake linings, the customer may attempt to sue the garage.
How would they stop them ?
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2 litre wrote:
The garage can't let the bike out with anything that could be called a dangerous fault. If there's an accident and anyone mentions worn brake linings, the customer may attempt to sue the garage.
How would they stop them ?

Confident sounding bullshit?
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 01 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I suppose they could invoke s3 of the Criminal Law Act to stop an offence happening, but it'd be tenuous.

Otherwise, the only real option is to call the rozzers and get a traffic unit hanging about to pull and slap a PG9 prohibtion on the moment the bike leaves the premises.
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A friend had a Harley V-Rod that had a load of problems with it, he loved the bike but it was a lemon, it went back to the dealers no end of times, wiring and starting issues usually.
the dealer was brilliant, they replaced everything under warranty, giving him a loan bike each time, but he still had problems, the dealers told him they were doing everything they could but the bike itself was the issue.
when the rear swing arm bearings gave up on a bike that was only 9 months old he emailed Harley UK and within HALF AN HOUR Harley UK were on the phone to him asking how they, Harley UK, could help him with his Harley owning experience.
he told them, they called the dealers, the dealers backed him up all the way.
he got a completely new bike.
Victory Motorcycles, THAT is customer service, and that is also why you will never, ever get anywhere near usurping Harley in that market.
Harley may charge a lot for their bikes, and to be honest I don't want one, but at least they give a shit about their customers.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 02 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
2 litre wrote:
The garage can't let the bike out with anything that could be called a dangerous fault. If there's an accident and anyone mentions worn brake linings, the customer may attempt to sue the garage.
How would they stop them ?


They replace the brake pads before you come back for the bike.

The bleeding obvious is my specialist subject.
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Triton Thrasher wrote:

The garage can't let the bike out with anything that could be called a dangerous fault. If there's an accident and anyone mentions worn brake linings, the customer may attempt to sue the garage.


Of course they can. Nothing to stop them putting an advisory on the MOT and / or receipt.

Triton Thrasher wrote:

They replace the brake pads before you come back for the bike.

The bleeding obvious is my specialist subject.


With the go ahead from the owner. Or they can do it for free from the goodness of their hearts.

All the best

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Triton Thrasher wrote:

You are talking from a position of ignorance. A garage can hold a vehicle until the bill is paid. And they do.


Doesn't give them carte blanche to do any work they like and then hold the vehicle until the unwanted work is paid for.

Legally, a garage presented with a dangerous vehicle can only advise the owner as to its state (and suggest remedial works that could be carried out, with the owner's permission). They can't impound it solely for being in a dangerous state.

There's absolutely nothing to suggest that a garage can be held liable if the owner insists on leaving his bike in a dangerous state, provided the garage has made the problem clear.

About all they can do is ring the rozzers and ask someone to hang about the entrance for when the owner drives off.
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If you think a tester gives an advisory ( and a pass) to a vehicle he thinks is dangerous, you are not correct.


He can, but then it is up to whether VOSA agree. If the regulations state one limit and he decides to instead fail it for his own personal harsher standard then he is likely to lose when a complaint is made

Triton Thrasher wrote:

You are talking from a position of ignorance. A garage can hold a vehicle until the bill is paid. And they do.


Not if they chose to do the work themselves. In such a case they are not entitled to charge for the extra work. If the customer isn't prepared to pay for the unauthorised work then they may remove the parts they have added and refit the original parts; if this isn't practical then it is up to the garage to bear the costs.

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PostPosted: 23:16 - 02 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
Triton Thrasher wrote:

The garage can't let the bike out with anything that could be called a dangerous fault. If there's an accident and anyone mentions worn brake linings, the customer may attempt to sue the garage.


Of course they can. Nothing to stop them putting an advisory on the MOT and / or receipt.


Had an issue with one of my old bikes, which essentially meant it had no front brake. Local garage let me have it back providing I signed a small disclaimer stating I was aware of such fault. Perfectly acceptable thing to do if you ask me.
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Triton Thrasher wrote:

If you think a tester gives an advisory ( and a pass) to a vehicle he thinks is dangerous, you are not correct.

Kickstart wrote:
He can, but then it is up to whether VOSA agree. If the regulations state one limit and he decides to instead fail it for his own personal harsher standard then he is likely to lose when a complaint is made


I think what you're saying about a "personal harsher standard" is unrelated to what has been said here.

Triton Thrasher wrote:

You are talking from a position of ignorance. A garage can hold a vehicle until the bill is paid. And they do.

Kickstart wrote:
Not if they chose to do the work themselves. In such a case they are not entitled to charge for the extra work. If the customer isn't prepared to pay for the unauthorised work then they may remove the parts they have added and refit the original parts; if this isn't practical then it is up to the garage to bear the costs.


Interesting. I've been wrong before. Do you have case law, where a garage remedied dangerous faults and were then compelled by court to undo their work?
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Triton Thrasher wrote:
I think what you're saying about a "personal harsher standard" is unrelated to what has been said here.


No MOT in this case, so all we have to go on is the OPs comment that the pads were at about 1.5mm (and no idea if they were sintered or non sintered pads). Sure a level where they probably should have been changed but that is for them to advise the owner of and let him decide.

Triton Thrasher wrote:

Interesting. I've been wrong before. Do you have case law, where a garage remedied dangerous faults and were then compelled by court to undo their work?


First thing to go on is the AA web page on specific authorisation for repairs.

https://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/legal-advice/additional-garage-work.html

All the best

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also trading standards, page 2 BTW

https://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/kent/factsheets/FS2NEW%20nov07%20services.pdf
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PostPosted: 05:29 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
[quote="Kickstart"]
Triton Thrasher wrote:
I think what you're saying about a "personal harsher standard" is unrelated to what has been said here.


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No MOT in this case,


No, but somebody introduced "advisories" into the discussion. All my advisories were from MoTs.

Triton Thrasher wrote:

Interesting. I've been wrong before. Do you have case law, where a garage remedied dangerous faults and were then compelled by court to undo their work?


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First thing to go on is the AA web page on specific authorisation for repairs.

https://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/legal-advice/additional-garage-work.html


Hmm. your link says
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Obviously, unless such limited authority is in writing, it is open to dispute what instructions were actually given


So really, it would be a bit mad for the Victory owner to do anything other than pay the £126. Unless he wants to pay a lawyer (more than £26) to "dispute the instructions" with their lawyer, while he walks everywhere and his big choppa sits in the garage.

I actually failed barrack room law.
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No, but somebody introduced "advisories" into the discussion. All my advisories were from MoTs.


I mentioned it along with receipt to cover both eventualities.

Triton Thrasher wrote:

So really, it would be a bit mad for the Victory owner to do anything other than pay the £126. Unless he wants to pay a lawyer (more than £26) to "dispute the instructions" with their lawyer, while he walks everywhere and his big choppa sits in the garage.


Maybe practically, but that is encouraging fraud as being less of a problem than theft. Does make dodgy practices acceptable.

All the best

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