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I've been through the IOW in the summer and the main roads get clogged leading from Ryde, and other points I expect. Depending on exactly when/where you're going, be aware that you may want to filter quite a bit!
I'd like to get over there next summer for a night or two  ____________________ If you can keep your head when all about you
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I detest tank bags because they get in between me and the bike. They can limit maneuverability at low speeds by interfering with the handlebars, and you have less space to move around on the bike when cornering etc.
Just bear it in mind before you go off and spending a bunch of money on one, you may not like it. Try balancing a stuffed backpack on your tank and see how you like it.
A very small tank bag used to hold no more than change, phone, and perhaps a map or GPS is easier to live with.
When I bring a laptop with me touring, I put the laptop on top of a wooden cutting board and wrap it up in a rubble sack, and use the resulting waterproof flat object as the floor of a duffel bag filled with clothes etc, also packed in rubble sacks - I don't trust the duffel bag to be waterproof. I then lash the duffel bag to my pillion seat with 200kg luggage straps, so that it doesn't move at all in any circumstances - last thing you want in cornering is a heavy load shifting. The cutting board stops the tension of the straps from applying a bending force to the laptop with the seat pushing up in the middle. Screen typically ends up with a few dirty marks from the keyboard being pushed against it, but no permanent damage.
You can put a lot more weight on the pillion seat than in a top-box. Handling is far more affected by weight further back over the rear wheel, and the leverage from bumps etc. means the subframe attachment points for the top-box, or the top-box mount itself, may snap. I've broken a rack in the past with relatively small loads over 500 mile distances. Higher quality racks / mounts (Givi etc.) are worth it here over things like sw-motech. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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i hate anything on my back except a camelbak. It tires you out and is uncomfortable if you need to stand.
I use a dry bag and cargo net and a tank bag for things I may need on the road, like tyre repair kit, tubes, compressor, first aid kit fire arm, cell phone, wallet
Tank bags get in the way a bit when standing, but it is convenient.
This set up for 3500 km 1 week trip
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The extra bag on the back has tyre levers and other bike kit like chain lube and cleaner, chain brush, and oros ornage concentrate that i add to the water in my camelbak. When the water iis like 35 C and warm, or is a bit brackish, it makes it more drinkable. 100 km from any town on remote roads in high 30s heat, hydration and carrying liquids is important etc. ____________________ 2011 KTM 990 Dakar
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A good quality roll bag strapped to the back seat will carry more than enough stuff.
Ortlieb bags are the best, but cheaper alternatives are available such as a 60Ltr LOMO https://www.ewetsuits.com/acatalog/dry-bag-holdalls-60L.html
or the smaller 40ltr bag https://www.ewetsuits.com/acatalog/dry-bag-holdalls.html
The LOMO bags where recently featured in one on the equipment write ups in a bike mag (no doubt someone will tell me which one) and sales have rocketed as prices are 1/2 the price of Ortliebs, and they ran out of stock shortly after, but new stock is ariving this week, and pre-orders are being taken.
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| Peirre oBollox wrote: | A good quality roll bag strapped to the back seat will carry more than enough stuff.
Ortlieb bags are the best, but cheaper alternatives are available such as a 60Ltr LOMO https://www.ewetsuits.com/acatalog/dry-bag-holdalls-60L.html
or the smaller 40ltr bag https://www.ewetsuits.com/acatalog/dry-bag-holdalls.html
The LOMO bags where recently featured in one on the equipment write ups in a bike mag (no doubt someone will tell me which one) and sales have rocketed as prices are 1/2 the price of Ortliebs, and they ran out of stock shortly after, but new stock is ariving this week, and pre-orders are being taken.
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I go for the straping for one main reason: any off on gravel and panniers can get ripped (soft luggage) or broken (hard luggage), or the racks broken. Then you are screwed, stuck with luggage on the side of the road: unless you are ewan and charlie with support vehicles. Strap on, you take extra straps and can tie everything on. The only disadvantage is a slightly higher centre of gravity.
Cargo net is my preferred option for ease uf use, but I use straps as well when there are multiple items like bag, tent extra bag etc. unused straps I carry in the small bag with bike stuff.
A cargo net also gives me the option to keep adding stuff on route, and not suffer 'panniers are full'.
Stuff often includes a box of half eaten pizza, a six pack of beer, biltong
Like have a pizza for supper, and the next morning ride a bit and eat the left overs for brekkie on the side of the road, washed down with a beer and feel soory for the cagers stuck on the tar and stopping to eat at those horrible ultra city things. ____________________ 2011 KTM 990 Dakar
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| Tarmacsurfer wrote: | | barrkel wrote: | I detest tank bags because they get in between me and the bike. They can limit maneuverability at low speeds by interfering with the handlebars, and you have less space to move around on the bike when cornering etc. |
Never had either problem with any tank bag/bike combination and I've tried a fair few
Krad covered it - "cargo net". I've transported everything from a Dyson to half of another bike using the things. Add a few bungies for more piece of mind if so inclined.
As to the comments about backpacks, while I'm sure many of you use them every day with no problems I wouldn't personally risk it. A good mate of mine lost the use of his legs after coming off with his work suit and a pair of shoes in a backpack, he was wearing armoured textiles. Heel of one of his shoes comprehensively smashed a vertebrae and left him paralysed. |
Interesting about the paralysis. I always figured a back pack would be bad in an off but didnt figure that bad. I took it as a comfort thing. Why have a weight pulling at my shoulders all day? Im not a donkey, let the bike carry the stuff, not me. I even used to tie my fluids on the back, but too much PT to get off the bike, undo the cargo get to get a drink. And after a few leaks making a mess and a shattered thermos from ruts, I gave it up and went the camelbak route. Now I can drink on route.
I figure the cargo arrangement I use doesnt look pretty and neat like panniers and designer luggage, and makes my bike look like a loaded donkey, but it is fully functional, and adaptable. As they say, the donkey doesnt fuck because he is pretty, he fucks because he is persistent  ____________________ 2011 KTM 990 Dakar
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I never used them for pretty much that logic, don't find backpacks all that comfortable and it's a massive wind drag. Plus you can't fit a coffee table/Dyson/half a ZX6R in a pack  ____________________ I'm immortal. Well, so far. |
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| Tarmacsurfer wrote: | Never had either problem with any tank bag/bike combination and I've tried a fair few |
Some people have shorter arms than others?
| Tarmacsurfer wrote: | Krad covered it - "cargo net". I've transported everything from a Dyson to half of another bike using the things. Add a few bungies for more piece of mind if so inclined. |
I rode many very twisty roads in the Spanish Pyrenees, loaded up with perhaps 20kg of bag on the back. The bike was flipping back and forth quite quickly, sometimes to the point of scraping the footpegs. I would not have been comfortable doing that if there was any elasticity in the attachment.
| Tarmacsurfer wrote: | As to the comments about backpacks, while I'm sure many of you use them every day with no problems I wouldn't personally risk it. |
Same thing with chains around your body; cutting through internal organs, or carotid artery if over the shoulder, is reasonably common. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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| Peirre oBollox wrote: | A good quality roll bag strapped to the back seat will carry more than enough stuff.
Ortlieb bags are the best, but cheaper alternatives are available such as a 60Ltr LOMO https://www.ewetsuits.com/acatalog/dry-bag-holdalls-60L.html
or the smaller 40ltr bag https://www.ewetsuits.com/acatalog/dry-bag-holdalls.html
The LOMO bags where recently featured in one on the equipment write ups in a bike mag (no doubt someone will tell me which one) and sales have rocketed as prices are 1/2 the price of Ortliebs, and they ran out of stock shortly after, but new stock is ariving this week, and pre-orders are being taken.
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+1 for this, just ordered one of their rucksacks which got a best buy in a recent group test, will be ordering one of these bags next. ____________________ FZ6 Fazer |
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| Tarmacsurfer wrote: | | barrkel wrote: | I would not have been comfortable doing that if there was any elasticity in the attachment. |
If there is movement then you're not using the nets correctly, I've regularly carried touring gear netted on through all sorts of roads, twisties through to traffic carving. Not an issue. Just look at the roads Krad posts pictures of, they're not exactly smooth tarmac - elastic strapping wouldn't work well if it was loose (although it also sounds like he uses zip straps alongside a cargo net).
Each unto their own
As to your comment about chains, saw a picture in another thread earlier of someone with a tyre around his middle. My first thought was "That'd bloody well hurt!"
Getting back on topic, personally I'd either go with a backpack bungied to the bike or pick up a set of soft panniers, throwovers work well and security isn't an issue as you can just pick them up and carry them if you leave the bike. Not great for touring but fine for just carrying shit from A to B. You'll pick up a cheap set for less than forty quid. |
+100 on the net. Nothing shifts. And I do bad roads. The cargo net even ties my lap top and lunch for daily commute. On long trips with many bags, tie down straps as well for extra stability. I don't find bungies very stable. Too much give. Trucks use such straps for massive loads and it is stable. I've brought home bike tyres to home appliances to piles of new bedding and pillows with a cargo net. If the net is tight it is stable. A must for me on abike is put a bigger base plate on with slots to tie things so I don't have rely on just pillion handles. Even my laptop must be secured daily.
Bin liners tear in the wind at high speed.it is ok for a commute, but not for a long trip. The only way I found to keep kit dry in our heavy storms is to cough up for a dry bag
A top box limits you to the size of the box. A plate I take everything from luggage to a 10 kg sac of potatoes, box of veggies, pool cleaner etc ____________________ 2011 KTM 990 Dakar
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| Kradmelder wrote: | +100 on the net. Nothing shifts. |
Someone should link to some of these nets then. I have a couple of cargo nets, but I wouldn't trust them for much more than a helmet on the pillion seat on a town trip to pick someone up, or to keep a jacket on top of an existing pile, or to tie down flapping bits.
| Kradmelder wrote: | And I do bad roads. |
I've dropped my bike on a steep slope, with the luggage taking the impact the way it sticks out. The luggage didn't move even with the entire weight of the bike on it. I don't think anything elastic would hold that. The luggage straps I use are the same kind of tech used on trucks for tying down freight, only smaller with correspondingly lower ratings (200dN, approximately 200kg). I use two, in separate directions.
Bungees are a joke. They have to be stretched to the elastic limit to hold down heavy objects without movement, and then you have the risk of one slipping out of your hand and someone losing an eye. I use them on my scooter to attach things to my pillion seat when they won't fit in the top-box, but it's typically bulky items like kitchen roll multipacks or boxed electrical goods, low density things carried over short distances.
| Kradmelder wrote: | Bin liners tear in the wind at high speed.it is ok for a commute, but not for a long trip. The only way I found to keep kit dry in our heavy storms is to cough up for a dry bag |
I use rubble sacks inside canvas duffle / gym bags. Rubble sacks won't tear in the wind on their own either though. As their name indicates, they're strong enough to hold rocks, gravel, etc. Very difficult to tear, and even when punctured, the tear doesn't spread. I've gone through some torrential rain on the continent with this setup, and no rain got through to any clothes or electronics. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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| magpiemale wrote: | I would Just wack on a top Box with a large 60-100 ltr roll top waterproof duffle bag attached with rok straps,or Just use the bag |
I have Rok straps too, both small and large ones, better and safer than bungees, but again not suitable for touring with a heavy load of luggage. OK for non-spirited riding.
Because they use a loop attachment mechanism, they can be more solidly attached than a hook. I used them to lash my backpack to an MP3 I rented in California. I brought bungees with me too, but they had nothing they could hook onto - the pillion handles had the wrong diameter for the hooks. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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