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Ribenapigeon
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Extra illumination (not headlights) is it legal? Reply with quote

I know sticking extra lighting on a car is illigal, something to do with causing a distraction to other road users but what about bikes? Just a few high brightness LEDS around my bike would make it so much more visable at night and unlike scotchbright patches would be visable from all angles. So what's the score with lighting up a bike?
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

More this
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/269387/images/light-cycle.jpg

Than this
https://www.plasmaled.com/images/LED_BIKE_GLOW.jpg
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm well, something like that! Smile
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Extra illumination (not headlights) is it legal? Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
... So what's the score with lighting up a bike?

White light must show to the front.
Red light must show to the rear.
You can have constant (not flashing) yellow lights on the side.

IMHO you can also have constant blue light to the front (or underneath like pics). It would be illegal if flashing. However, views differ on that.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Extra illumination (not headlights) is it legal? Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
I know sticking extra lighting on a car is illigal


Depends what ones, but normally they would be perfectly legal. Just have to comply with the rules in the vehicle lighting regulations.

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PostPosted: 18:58 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have ordered some things that I intend to fit to my bike for improved visibility. I intend to replace the standard mirrors with ones with built-in indicators. Then I intend to replace the stock front indicators with flush-mount ones with clear lenses. Then I plan to replace the orange bulbs in these with bright white LEDs. Then I plan to wire these up to come on with the ignition.

Result: LED DRLs with a decent separation between them with no need to drill or otherwise foul the existing fairing. Probably not entirely in the letter of the law, but done with the intent to be seen without being a nuisance (eg HID).
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about clip on cycle style led lights attached to your jacket or back pack
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
I have ordered some things that I intend to fit to my bike for improved visibility. I intend to replace the standard mirrors with ones with built-in indicators. Then I intend to replace the stock front indicators with flush-mount ones with clear lenses. Then I plan to replace the orange bulbs in these with bright white LEDs. Then I plan to wire these up to come on with the ignition.


One thing they could get you on is the number of position lights:-

1. In the case of a solo motor bicycle first used on or after 1st April 1991 which is not fitted with any obligatory front position lamp, not more than two may be fitted which must comply with the requirement specified in paragraph 7 of Part I. Where two are fitted these shall be situated as close together as possible.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:08 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Extra illumination (not headlights) is it legal? Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Boozehawk wrote:
I know sticking extra lighting on a car is illigal


Depends what ones, but normally they would be perfectly legal. Just have to comply with the rules in the vehicle lighting regulations.

All the best

Keith


Thanks, I looked up the regulatiions but its a bit confusing however the suggestion is that orange sidelights might be ok. Need to dig down further into the regs.
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

IF you intended to make yourself more visible and be able to switch bikes then one of these might do. Or some kind of custom jacket with led lights that form an image.


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/High-Visibility-LED-Viz-H-Band-Jacket-Equestrian-Motorcycle-Building-Vest-/140857316551?pt=UK_BOI_ProtectiveGear_RL&hash=item20cbc014c7
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
weasley wrote:
I have ordered some things that I intend to fit to my bike for improved visibility. I intend to replace the standard mirrors with ones with built-in indicators. Then I intend to replace the stock front indicators with flush-mount ones with clear lenses. Then I plan to replace the orange bulbs in these with bright white LEDs. Then I plan to wire these up to come on with the ignition.


One thing they could get you on is the number of position lights:-

1. In the case of a solo motor bicycle first used on or after 1st April 1991 which is not fitted with any obligatory front position lamp, not more than two may be fitted which must comply with the requirement specified in paragraph 7 of Part I. Where two are fitted these shall be situated as close together as possible.

All the best

Keith


That's all a bit confusing, seems to suggest a maximum of two headlamps. What about adventure bikes then which often have extra spotlamps fitted?


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PostPosted: 19:14 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

About 20 years ago a company was selling (well, maybe attempting to sell) yellow side position lamps (ie, lamps that fitted to the side of the fairing).

Not sure a front position lamp which is yellow is legal unless it is part of a headlight that is only capable of putting out a yellow light. On a separate side light (such as the running lights built into indicators on many US models) that would appear to count them out from being yellow.

However what is legal and what you will get away with are different things.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:19 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the number of lights thing only applies to retrofitting lights on a bike that wasn't originally manufactured with any.

I know one of my mates has daytime running lights on his KTM to improve side visibility, which fit on his tank and in my opinion look fairly awesome.

https://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy223/ArokhZero/9AB6D529-79ED-4A8A-8065-AC20AA5D9F31-5057-000004C413765296.jpg

I've no doubt they make him a lot more visible to cagers and the like too, especially at T-junctions.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:

I know one of my mates has daytime running lights on his KTM to improve side visibility, which fit on his tank and in my opinion look fairly awesome.


Probably should be amber, and would come under a side marker lamp:-

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/schedule/9/made

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PostPosted: 19:31 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would these be legal on a motorbike?

https://www.firebox.com/product/4084/Bike-SpokeLit

If you could fit them to a motorbike that is..... could give you part of the Tron effect... Razz
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Not sure. If amber then it might fit under the definition of a side marker lamp.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:41 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
Would these be legal on a motorbike?

https://www.firebox.com/product/4084/Bike-SpokeLit

If you could fit them to a motorbike that is..... could give you part of the Tron effect... Razz


I'd be worried about them coming off, don't reckon they're rated to cope with 70mph motorway blasts.

Would be interesting to try and custom-make a ring of amber LEDS for a motorbike wheel though, had that idea floating in my head a while...
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honest opinion?

If cars aren't looking for a bike they may still not see you. How many times have people pulled out on bikes and bicycles with high vis, flashing lights and reflectors?

Personally I would go with a loud exhaust, gives the illusion of you being closer, if they can hear you they will look for you. You could then be all matt black with one light but they key is that they are looking for you.

Just IMO
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amber lights are starting to look acceptable. Also if plod did pull you over would you be up in court or just asked to remove them?
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Amber lights are starting to look acceptable. Also if plod did pull you over would you be up in court or just asked to remove them?


If legal (and I think amber side market lights are) then no real reason for them to pull you up. Likely if they did get arsey (unlikely I suspect) you would get a rectification notice, and if you didn't get that signed off (either because you didn't bother, or you wanted to prove a point) it would go to court. Where you might well be fine if you waved the regulations at them

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PostPosted: 20:06 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to look for some amber LEDs then.

Cheers
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC Daytime Running Lights must go OFF when the headlight is on... may be wrong, though.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
Would these be legal on a motorbike?

https://www.firebox.com/product/4084/Bike-SpokeLit

If you could fit them to a motorbike that is..... could give you part of the Tron effect... Razz


Think these would be better at producing light not the tron effect though.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-x-Bike-Bicycle-Car-Tire-Wheel-Valve-Caps-Light-Lamp-Wheel-Neon-LED-/261065157882?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3cc8b22cfa
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I posted in this thread: https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=3389206#3389206

I wear lights on my body rather than the bike.

https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/photo_338.jpg

I have a red belt version too for if I want to be extra tacky/visible
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think things you put on your wheels are dodgy, ok at 20mph but get faster and they could screw up the balancing.

I think I will gor for some amber lights mounted to light up the engine and another to light the spring on my rear shok.
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