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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: advice on potential bike purchase please Reply with quote

I'm not used to buying motorbikes - so if anyone can think of info to obtain from the seller prior to me shelling out, I'd be grateful. It's only a 125 - that's all I can ride at the moe. I got my CBT (Aug '12), and plan to do theory -> mods 1 and 2 (or new rules) soon. Probably be after crimbo now, realistically thinking about it (oh yeah, I'm 44 btw).

Here're are the points mentioned in the ad:

year - '04

6 previous owners

3260 miles (all previous MOTs to support)

12 months tax and MOT

new battery

price £750


Seems like a lot of preevs - but then, probably not that many given age and fact it's a 125. So yeah. But what do I ask? Vague crap like "does it run okay" seems necessary but insufficient. Any known issues? Corrosion - any signs of rust or oxidisation and if so where and to what extent? Any signs or knowledge of bins? Tyre life?

Just off the top of my head this is all I can come up with. What am I missing? Cheers all. Wink

Oh - also, thinking ahead for a sec, can anyone recommend a national courier and give me an idea on a 200 mile job?
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, I'm not an expert! Bearing that in mind, I'll add what i can.

Before peeps can reply, they'll need to know the make and model. Theres a few general things you can find on a google search (check the tyres, signs of rust / furring etc.), but the peeps on here wil be able to usually add more model-specific info which is the really useful stuff.

You can also checked out motorcyclenews.com for a more general review of your bike which sometimes points out a few bits about each model of bike.

I'd always check the general condition to get a feel for how well it's been maintained, but after 7 owners and 8 years, you pretty much know that already I suspect.

EDIT: oh, and plenty of folks on here recommend shiply.com to find a courier, but I had no end of woes with them. I used SOS recovery in the end, and it was a flat rate of £150 with delivery within 7 days from memory.

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PostPosted: 10:36 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make and Model is just as important to know as the things that you've listed. Some bikes have got common faults that are specific to the model/year, others just aren't worth pursuing, and there are a few that are hailed as the greatest learner 125's ever created. Chinese bikes are best avoided if you're not handy with a set of spanners; the engines don't tend to go wrong, but fixings do have a habit of vibrating loose. You'll also want to keep on top of any corrosion problems as they occur. Invest in a multimeter, too; that goes for whatever bike you buy - 125's don't have the most robust electrical systems known to man.

In short, more info needed.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Number of owners is fine. The mileage is a bit low, but not suspiciously so. I'm guessing it's a plastic fantastic rather than a naked commuter?

That price would be a steal for a Varadero, a rip off for a Ching Chong HappyJoyBike.

You'll want to know the condition of the exhaust and the forks, and the amount of wear left in the tyres and sprockets. Any advisories on that MOT? Is it an insurance write-off: cat C or D wouldn't bother me, but it might be an issue when you sell it on.

First time starting from a cold engine is a must, and the phrase "It just needs a good run" should send you running for the hills.

Do yourself a favour and don't buy sight unseen or trust a dealer description, especially on a 125.

If you let us know where you are, we can maybe find some local bikes or someone may be able to help you out in person.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys - it's a TW125. Not many of them to the pound, and they're not well-liked either. Under-powered, slight marmite look, plus a neither-fish-nor-fowl style (to sluggish for road yet not properly constructed for off-road). So say the nays. But - I like them, in so far as I can without having ever ridden one. Wink

Anyway, it's almost impossible for me to get to it. I should almost certainly resist pulling the trigger, but you know how it gets.

Reason I like the earlier ones is cos they're carbs and I think they went to FI later on (?).
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbs/FI would mean fuck all to me, the price and availability of the rear tyre would.

I can't imagine seeing more than 50mph out of it, rolling resistance of Dawn French.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Carbs/FI would mean fuck all to me, the price and availability of the rear tyre would.

I can't imagine seeing more than 50mph out of it, rolling resistance of Dawn French.


I *think* the tyres aren't too hard to get because they're the same as the vanvan - still in production and not that rare. But yeah it won't be a fast - then again speed doesn't quite do it for me anyway so that's not a biggie.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Earlier ones? 2004 was the last year they were imported to the UK.

Parts supply is iffy. WeMoto have a reasonable range, but no exhausts.

7 litre tank? No thanks.

Why not look for a Van-Van?
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor machine wrote:


Anyway, it's almost impossible for me to get to it. I should almost certainly resist pulling the trigger, but you know how it gets.
Wouldn't be a factor in my book for something I was seriously interested in.

I went from York to Plymouth for my NS125, and my old man/uncle drove us back with it in pieces in the boot to get it home.
(well, no, in absolute honesty I was sat with it in the boot most of the way back, making sure it didn't slide about and damage itself or the car).

Only thing you need to research on is model specific common faults and it has any now worth fixing/paying to be fixed then forget it and find another.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
trevor machine wrote:


Anyway, it's almost impossible for me to get to it. I should almost certainly resist pulling the trigger, but you know how it gets.
Wouldn't be a factor in my book for something I was seriously interested in.

I went from York to Plymouth for my NS125, and my old man/uncle drove us back with it in pieces in the boot to get it home.
(well, no, in absolute honesty I was sat with it in the boot most of the way back, making sure it didn't slide about and damage itself or the car).

Only thing you need to research on is model specific common faults and it has any now worth fixing/paying to be fixed then forget it and find another.


Cheers for that. Hey - I'm not too far from you actually. But yeah, I need to go (back) on the (US) t-dub forum and see what's what. Thanks for reminding me about that. Wink
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Earlier ones? 2004 was the last year they were imported to the UK.

Parts supply is iffy. WeMoto have a reasonable range, but no exhausts.

7 litre tank? No thanks.

Why not look for a Van-Van?


Thanks - but in fact, part of the reason why I prefer a TW is because of the bigger tank. The vanvan's is tiny. True, it's possible to fit the GN125's larger cap tank right on (so long as you've got the carb vanvan), but of course you then have to chop the seat down. So not quite as easy as all that.

Good point about the parts. Noted.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor machine wrote:
Hey - I'm not too far from you actually.
Quite! There's a few BCF'ers round these parts, doing a meetup/rideout start of next year with a few when I get my licence back and a bike bought, keep an eye on the North section and get involved. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sound! I'll keep me eye out. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:31 - 03 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor machine wrote:
in fact, part of the reason why I prefer a TW is because of the bigger tank. The vanvan's is tiny.

Are we talking about the same TW125? T'intardtubes reckon 7 litres, compared to the Van Van's 7.5.
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PostPosted: 06:30 - 04 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugger - that's diddy!! Maybe I should go back to thinking about getting a gn125 tank on the vanvan then. There's apparently a really good upholsterer not too far away over in Driffield who did some great work on this telly repairman's Vespa's seat (he came to drop off a loan TV set while mine was being mended and saw my bike in the garage - so we got talking, and he had a picture of his scooter in his van). So I could conceivably sort the seat side of that out.
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 04 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
T'intardtubes reckon 7 litres, compared to the Van Van's 7.5.


7 litres should be enough to do 150 miles very comfortably on a 125, with some reserve to find a petrol station.

My SH300 has a 9 litre tank and will do 160 miles on the motorway before I need to worry about fuel.

I wouldn't be concerned about tank size on a small capacity engine like this. You tend to want to stretch your legs every 150 miles or so anyway.

You're probably not going to try and cross any deserts or anything, are you?
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 04 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking personally I live about 15 mins from the nearest petrol station. But yeah. 150 miles is probably enough! Wink

Anyway, thanks for the replies everyone. Thumbs Up
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