Convincing parents for first bike and Advice for Geared ?

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Definitely answered.

Great help to everyone below thanks ;D

You may have saved a life... OR STOPPED THE BEST/MOST SLICKEST SPORTS 125CC RIDER TO EVER WALK THE EARTH FROM FINDING HIS HIDDEN SUPER TALENT HINDERED ONLY TO HIM AT THE AGE OF 18!!!

But really. thanks.

Look at the bike I'm looking at atm!! ;D;D;D;D!!

https://i47.tinypic.com/35ioaq1.jpg

no but really. Honda CG125 copy (i think hah) :
https://www.lexmoto.co.uk/DFE125-8A.php

or As suggested the most yamaha YBR or its chinese clones!

After loads of persuasion with the hope of success o-o;

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just for you i can sneak extra dips and icecream? :3

[pinkyfloyd]

In before Teffers.

The thing with the "Sports" 125's you have mentioned is they are not sport bikes. They just look like them. Underneath they are pretty much the same 125cc engine you see in the naked bikes. Its like having a ford focus with a Ferrari shell on it, It looks like a Ferrari but it really isnt.

What you get is a big hole in your wallet, A big hole when it comes to insurance, another big hole if you drop the thing, and a serious depreciation issue when it comes to sell it after your test and buy a "real" sports bike.

Take the naked on the other hand and you get a small hole in your wallet as they can be picked up pretty cheap. A small hole in your wallet as they are cheap to insure, a small hole in your wallet should you drop it as the parts are cheap and when you come to sell it after your test you can get all your money back that you paid for it if you look after the thing.
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illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
Hockeystorm65:.well there are childish arguments...there are very childish arguments.....there are really stupid childish arguments and now there are......Pinkfloyd arguments!
Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said.

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@pinky

yeah i did mention that i know its just a styled learner bike (right at the bottom don't blame you for not reading that far haha)

You make a great point, but what happens when the times comes when I have passed my full license, grab my 650cc which is even more expensive, and am unused to the riding position and have problems with that? o-o

YOU SOUND JUST LIKE MY PARENTS!! I HATE YOU FOREVER ;-;

(with love)

[corrsfan]

"come of it three times..not scared of falling"

now I see why your folks are scared/ reluctant. I've come off 2wice in my life. Once I was in a state of shock, and I gave up biking for a bit after that. 2nd time broke my arm, couldn't wait to get back on it. Difference was I knew why I went down 2nd time having had many lessons to reach test standard (was on test @ time).

I think your parents would be happier if you/they paid for lessons, so that you are safer on the roads. We all know CBt isn't hard to pass.

Also you'll love that CBF - watch for a glut of them s/h in march, because of the numbers of people wanting bigger bikes due to being forced to pass before jan 19th...
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selling '12 cbf125 march 13, for a restricted 5/600.

[daemonoid]

[Efes123]

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[Rogerborg]

[pinkyfloyd]

Its not often I agree with Daemonoid but this time I do.

I went from a laid back, arms up cruiser 125 straight onto a classic 750 race bike. Not these new ones you seem to perch on top of. One of the 20 year old ones you had to fold yourself into and lay flat along the tank just to ride the bastard.

Riding position is the least of your worries. You'll get used to it much like you get used to sitting on the dining room chair during dinner time and then slouching on the couch to watch a movie.

Another point to take in is the actual look. Examiners do not tend to be judgemental but you turn up on what they perceive to be a sensible 125cc bike for your test and you'll earn a brownie point and that may make your day go a bit more in your favour. You turn up on your plastic fantastic 125 and you've already marked yourself as a boy racer.

And, as Deamonoid said. They are easier to ride than sports styled at slow speeds.

As for your last comment, the CBR you mean, yes its a lovely looking little 125. Trouble with it is one of these will leave you behind every time at the lights:

https://img.dooyoo.co.uk/GB_EN/orig/0/0/5/4/2/54284.jpg

And you'll be left somewhat deflated on your fast looking bike.
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illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
Hockeystorm65:.well there are childish arguments...there are very childish arguments.....there are really stupid childish arguments and now there are......Pinkfloyd arguments!
Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said.

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@Rogerborg

I wasn't trying to big myself up. I'm a frail little child! I'm just aware of the dangers and doesn't put me off riding is more what I wanted to say I guess.

The Jianshe actually looks really nice! so cheap as well.. Reckon it's truely reliable? I think I'll have to look around and see online if any owners of this bike can provide some feedback ;P

I looked at Lexmoto's line aswell, but shortly backed down with all the " CHINESE ARE BAD BAD BAD BAD EVIL."

@Pinkfloyd (#1band btw ;P)

I did mean the CBF naked bike (125 one o-o)

You guys have thrown me into the standard bike corner of the ring, there's no escape!

I'm not a racer boy, it's just I know i'll end up with a sports bike in years to come(but i'm still a kid so maybe my opinion would change i guess o-o) so why not have a kiddie bike with awesome plastic on it? WOHOO!


But i guess being a student working only part-time at a pizza shop doesn't mean i have all the money in the world.. hmph.

[MCW]

The thing about parents is that they have this completely biased, unconditional love for their offspring, however spotty and 'orrible they are. A side effect of this affliction is an inexplicable desire to keep them from all harm. If your parents are convinced that bikes are only 1 degree less dangerous than throwing yourself off Beachy Head, then they are unlikely to be moved by any arguements, however well researched and presented.

The fact that your parents are happy for you to get a bike at all is a big plus. I suggest you go along with what they say and then get your licence. Look at getting what you would really like further down the road.

Oh, and if you want to keep them onside, NEVER say 'Ha, See!' to them....

Good luck.

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[stuarthouston]

[krarkol]

I had the trouble of convincing my parents when I was 15 as I wanted a ped at 16

The first thing was a "NO!" as I've had family members who've suffered bad injuries from it (all SMIDSY's!)

What I did was just blag their heads with information, explaining the system.
So CBT: can ride a ped at 16 and geared 125 at 17.
Do full test at 17: can ride any bike you want, aslong as its restricted to 33bhp (soon to be changing so you have to be 19 to do this, but the restriction is a higher bhp)
Do full test at 21 on a 500cc: Ride anything you like with no restrictions (soon changing to having to be 24)

I explained all that to them, assured them I'd wear all my gear at all times and spent the last month of being 15, talking about bikes 24/7. In the end they gave in and I got a cheap taiwanese ped for my 16th

After speaking to them now, I asked what made them gave in and they said it's the tiered system that's in place. As they didn't know much about it, they just thought you could get a licence and ride anything but when I explained that you pretty much have to work your way up to the top they knew I'd be alot safer. They also knew that I'd have done it anyway and probably would have been at the DAS age by the time I got it done myself so they looked at it as an investment into my training and experience

Edit: After all that I seem to have missed the point Ask your local bike school for a few hours on a 125, they'll probably charge £20-£25 an hour or so and they'll get you up to speed on a geared bike and it's all in a safe environment.

Sports 125's are just for the tart within really, I had one and yes I liked the look of them but it was mostly a good deal at the time as I bought it when I went to a dealers to look at a ybr125 which had sold that morning U turns are a bit harder but they aren't that much more difficult to maneuver as they are light anyway
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[UnspeedySam]

I agree with what has been said really. Get yourself a used YBR/CG/CBF with view to do your 47bhp test at 19. I've ridden a CBR125; it didn't feel any faster than a YBR and was pretty uncomfortable to be honest.

I'm 6'1" and find a YBR (or the identical Jianshe JS125-6B my fiancée is learning on) very comfortable and great fun for commuting even now I'm used to big bikes.

Save your pennies and get a nice older model (will have to sub-97bhp for the restriction I believe) sports bike to ride after you take your test at 19!

edit: Sorry it's 70kW (double the restriction of 35kW) which is 93.872hp. You can have a restricted TRX850
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[Teflon-Mike]

I want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do I start?
All the things you might ask
Motorcycling is DANGEROUS! Will I REALLY kill myself?
My Mum/Dad/Girlfriend/Boyfriend/Husband/Wife HATE the thought of me riding a bike! What Should I do?
Recommend Me a Learner-Bike!
4-Stroke 125 Sports-Bikes

Take Note; when arguing your case about motorcycles there are two kinds of reasoning:-

1/ Emotive Reasoning: Motorbikes.... Welll-CooooooWeLLLL! Fast! Exiting! Wannit!

2/ Logical Reasoning; I need my own transport; motorbike is good on fuel; easy to park; more convenient than the bus.

1/ Emotive Reasoning: Motorbikes are DANGEROUS! People get KILLED on motorbikes, so I DON'T want you riding one!

2/ Logical Reasoning; Motorcycling is more dangerous than driving a car, but horse riding is more dangerous than riding a motorbike. So if you wouldn't mind me riding a horse, why would you be worried about me riding a motorbike?

From comment; lets be honest here, YOU are thinking emotively; you WANT 'posey-bike', and trying to hide that, and justify your emotive 'want' with logical 'needs'.

Parents will see through that crap in a heart-beat, and WILL NOT be convinced that you are a sensible fellow, who will be safe on a motorbike, and they will not 'buy' your fascade of logical justification.

Perversely, thier reason for not wanting you to have a bike will be just as emmotive, and thier counter argument, logically stated 'bikes are dangerouse', is a similar 'fascade', to justify the fact that they are afraid, for you, and from aproach, probably justifiably so.

NOW.... this is a perenial problem, and nearly always ends in a set of concentric circular arguments that go no where, resolve nothing, and merely perpetuate angst.

And the reason is that its oil and water; logical and emmotiove arguments do not mix. Shake them up, and they may turn into an emulsion that looks mixed, for a while, but leave it a while, they seperate out again.

"I dont want you having a motorbike!" answered with, "But Horses are more dangerouse than motorbikes" will merely result in the answer "We're not talking about horses.... but fine.... you're not having a horse either!"

"But I'm going to be sensible! I'll get all the gear, to make myself safe!"... yeah... read the links.... GEAR does not make you safe.... NOT CRASHING makes you safe! All gear does is limit, minutely in most cases how much it might hurt when you crash!

And you get a nice logical counter argument to showing Mum all your gear...... "Very nice Dear; but if it's so 'safe' and your more likely to fall off a ladder changing a light-bulb... WHY do you need a helmet, and armour like a medievil Knight?.... "

Read the link; it offers a LOT of advice and stuff to think about on how to tackle the "I want a bike" - "Not while your under MY roof" argument. But the bottom line is, you have to recognise that bikes ARE dangerouse, and you have to cut to the chase and BE HONEST, with yourself FIRST over WHY you want a bike, and how safe you really are going to be; before you try selling it to mum. THEN you have to accept that they are STILL going to be horrified by the gut wrenching idea of you being made mince-meat by a Mac-Truck, which is what suggestion conjours in thier head, REGARDLESS of how much you tell them about bike gear, or training, or it only being a 'little' bike. And you have to tackle THAT, recognising thier emotive fears, and tackling them emotively, but reasonably, and NOT trying to argue them down, but simply finding some sort of accord or acceptance.

Best argument, is "When I was three you put me on a push-bike; when I was five you took the stabilisers off and watched me wobble down the street and put that stingy stuff on my knee when I fell off; this is not a lot different. Ite something I want to do, I KNOW that I might get hurt, but JUST like when you took the stabilisers off my bike, I'd like to know that you'll be there with the stingly stuff if I do!"

Meanwhile; getting back to the honesty thing; your emotive must have a YZF-R1254KGK-BR "Fookin-Flasht"

Yeah... we're talking tiddlers here, and on L-Plates.

1/ NOTHING looks cool with an L-Plate.
2/ 125's are NOT fast... even 'fast' 125's are pretty slow!

Seriousely. Fastest fast 125 road bike is 100 mile an hour machine. And they aren't Learner-Legal. Go through the buyers guide, and you struggle to find anything else THAT 'slow', other than other 125's. They are barely as brisk... I dont even credit them with 'quick'.... they are as brisk as really, REALLY old 250's and utterly utiliterian modern commuter bikes! And the looks? Well they may fool at a distance, but get close up and you see 'space' where there ought to be an engine, and its obviouse what it is; a lowly commuter bike in a Toys-R-Us dress up 'I want to be a Sports-Bike' outfit! And thats even if it doesn't have an L-Plate!

And you are a Learner.... off the stops, ink still wet on your CBT cert.... believe me, even the limited performance a sporty 125 has will be wasted on you, you wont have the skill to exploit it to the full anyway.

125's are for Learners or Commuters. You want something cheap, or easy to ride, preferably both; not something to massage your ego. As said; liklihood is that you WILL drop the thing in your first few weeks of riding, and skuffed panels and broken indicators REALLY dont add to the asthetic, or impress people!

So, getting 'Real'... how much of your 'I really realy WANT a 'sports-bike', is just your heart ruling your head?
Bikes are all about control, and controlling a bike starts with controlling your emotions. Get real, keep it real. Listen to your 'hearts desire' but keep the HEAD in control.

Want a sports-bike. No one says you cant have one; but sporty-looking 125's AREN'T really sports-bikes, or even poor substitute. You can have a REAL sports-bike, quite easily, you just have to get a full licence, and it can have as much show and as much go as your wallet will allow..... and getting the licence, you are likely to get the know-how and skill and discipline of self control to be able to both apreciate it, exploit it, and use it 'sensibly'. Just tales a little self control, patience and a little application... And that 'attitude' is the one that is most likely to win parental acceptance.
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[Andy_Pagin]

For your situation another benefit of a YBR is that it doesn't look like or pretend to be a death inducing crotch rocket, so won't be so scary to parents.
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For working out what bikes fit you could look at cycle-ergo.com (clicky link).

I agree with posts above that a 'sports' style bike will be a money pit.

Do some insurance quotes as well on various machines. That may focus your (and your parents) attention.

What are your plans for getting a licence? Plan that into parent discussion. Also I'd suggest some extra tuition on top. My lad just keeps falling off his bike (in the I don't know how that happened sense). So I'm signing him up for some lessons as he will not take advice from me (although strangely accepts the same advice from strangers ).
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