Benefit Fraud

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Would you shop someone if you knew, as in they have told you, for comitting benefit fraud? I believe there's a telephone number by which you can do this anonymously.

Say hypothetically, someone you knew was sacked from their job, claimed benefits, found another job but was still claiming as if they were unemployed still. Would you let the authorities know?

If I found myself in this situation, I wouldn't as I believe they will probably get found out all on their own and believe in "What goes around, comes around", but it still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

What does BCF think?

[yaigi]

I think people need to focus on the bigger issues and get angry about them rather than worrying about what John next door is doing. Huge corporations not paying their tax costs the country a whole lot more money than benefit fraud, but the government are very good at turning us on each other, rather than us all sticking together and doing something about the government. Divide and conquer - they're getting it right.
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[Hetzer]

My view is the govt screws you in every possible way, so screwing it back is totally legit.

I'm aware of the argument that it's our money that's being screwed but it's money the govt screws out of us in the first place and would be screwed out of us no matter how much was or was not being screwed back from it by benefit fraudsters. Eg, if every single benefit claimant died tomorrow VAT would not go down a penny, gas-tax ditto...all taxes, ditto. It would simply allow the govt to find other ways to piss our money up the wall.

The only people I would grass up would be non-citizens (immigrants).
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[Chalky.]

They're dickheads for doing it but I'd be more of a dickhead for shopping them in.


Too many people worry about other people and not themselves these days.

[WannaBeDude]

Official work and you get caught, the new IT systems in DWP and NI / Tax are now connected and catching is easier.

The take the piss fraudsters I have issue with, just the same as the companys taking the piss.
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[Alpha-9]

If they were utter scumbag assholes who I couldn't stand I probably would, especially if they were wasting the money on peds and burberry n shit

If they were normal people just trying to survive with their kids then nah leave them to it, government are cunts anyway and will squeeze every penny they can from us
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[Joncrete Cungle]

When the government start meaningfully tackling big business and wealthy individuals tax evasion / avoidance then I would probably consider snitching on a fellow peon milking the system for a few quid. As it is our right and honourable members of parliament still have more than a few clouds surrounding their own expenses.

So while the politicians and their chums in big business continue to take the piss and blame 'the system' when one of them is caught out evading / avoiding tax or making up invoices to claim back as expenses, I consider my fellow peons earning a few quid here and there on the side as merely following the right and honourable example set by our great leaders in politics, business and finance.

Reminds me of the joke about the banker, Daily Mail reader and benefit claimant sat round a plate with 20 biscuits on it.

The banker grabs 19 biscuits with both hands while the Daily Mail reader is looking with disdain at the benefit claimant.

As the benefit claimant goes to pick up the last biscuit the banker screams to the Daily Mail reader 'look at that scrounging Bastard stealing your biscuit'

Although I do agree with the point that if big business and wealthy individuals paid up in full and dole dossers didn't milk the system, I would still pay as much tax in various guises to the state. The state would merely invent more ways to fritter the money away and still end up needing to 'borrow' more cash to make ends meet.

[Alpha-9]

I thought about something similar with shops

I went into a shop and something i've been buying for ages has suddenly gone up in price a full 10p

My thought was either the company who manufactures them have put up the price for the supermarket to buy them, or the supermarket have just put up the price as they were selling well

If it's the first then instead of the massive multi-million pound supermarket taking very very slightly less profits they've passed the loss down to the consumer, a consumer who is struggling to pick up their weekly shopping.

Then they bring out adverts saying what fucking good deals and how fucking great they are to customers, when they're milking every penny they can out of them.

Not to do with benefits but pisses me off
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[cimbian]

Very unpopular buy, yes I would.

Many years ago I had a relative that was playing the system. Would I shop them? No, but I did talk them out of doing it.

I work hard, pay as little tax as I can, through legitimate means, and resent anyone knowingly cheating the system.

I have a son that is unemployed. He is 19 and has Dyslexia, Dyspraxia and Dyscalculia. He finds social situation difficult but, at 19 he is entitled to benefits; however, he doesn't claim them as he finds the JCP daunting (he claimed for two months).

In my view he should be entitled to support other than JSA but none is available unless he follows the JCP instructions (five positive job applications per week) but due to his unerring honesty he can't even pretend to (as many do). Consequently, no benefits. The 'system' makes no allowances for his issues.

I also work hard at losing my anger (BBBABB and all that ) and all the above makes me angry so any lazy jerk-off bucking the system will get a hard time from me.
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[andym]

What type of benefits are we actually talking here? Is it something as simple as under estimating your earnings to claim tax credits or claiming JSA/ESA etc while working?

I don't agree with working and claiming, I would never grass someone up for it though. It's their choice at the end of the day, and if they get caught that's their fault.

I agree with all the big business' and the government getting away with all sorts of dodgy dealings then blaming everyone else for it.... then of course there is the banks ripping off everyone, wasting/losing money.... and at the end of the day the managers get told 'you've done a shit job, you've ruined the economy.... take this couple of million quid and leave'

[Rogerborg]

I have a relative with a chronic, crippling lung disease which is only ever going to deteriorate. Non smoker, widowed with a young child, raised him and worked all her life, couldn't find a nicer lady.

To get any assistance from the State - and it took her a long time to even ask - she has been put through the wringer repeatedly. She has to drag herself to panels and hearings where a bunch of shitcocks in suits grill her at length and aggressively about every aspect of her life.

They ignore the letters from her GP and specialist which say "Her condition is genuine, she is dying, give her disability living allowance so that she can at least do it with the heating on" and try to catch her out with trick questions.

Once, the council sent out a frippet to "help" her fill in the massive pile of forms on her latest application - of course, they need done over each time. On one she had listed her hospital visits with a header and then a column of ditto marks. Frippet stared at them and asked "Whit are those?" "Ditto marks, dear, they mean 'same as above'". Long pause. "Is that... Doctor Ditto?"

Refused, appealed, refused, appealed again, third hearing, and eventually she was given some DLA. She is still required to submit to the stress of regular assessments with the threat of withdrawal even though she will not and can not improve, ever.

At her clinic there's a chap with a much milder condition who boasts about receiving the top level of DLA, plus a motability mobile, while still working on the sly as a painter/decorator. Cash-in-hand, of course, to pay for his fags. "Just don't blow as hard, pet, and tell them you can't get out of bed" is his advice.

Now.

Explain to me how it's fine to screw "the government" out of money they'd just "piss it up the wall" on something else.

Go on, do your little geezer shuffle, pop a fag in your mouth, flap your elbow and spout those magic banalities.
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[Alpha-9]

[Hetzer]

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[Alpha-9]

[J0Al1]

I know of someone that has pretended to split with her husband.

He has moved to rented accomodation and she is living with him there. They are private renting their house whilst she claims single parent perks on it.

Not shopped them because I heard this via a contact, so it might not be accurate.

[smegballs]

I'm convinced pretty much all supermarket lines come out of the same factory, just go into different packets. Take value bourbon biscuits, morrisons are 65p, sainsburys 40p, no discernable difference between the two sets.... All about knowing where to buy the same shit cheapest

Talk about inflation, just in my short lifetime I've seen mars bars double in price, from about 35p as a nipper to around 75p now

[Recluso]

I would love to say that I would shop someone. But I'd likely chicken out for fear of retribution

Regarding DSA/DLA: I had to claim for a couple of years when I was in recovery from long-term illness and the advice I was given was, when they come to do their assessment, to act like it's your worst day. Otherwise they WILL NOT see/understand how bad it can be and you're likely to get nothing. You can tell them how bad it is, but unless they see it with their own eyes, they'll fob you off with rejections.

They're quick to penalise you for having a 'good day' which sickens me.
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[Hetzer]

[smegballs]

[Groove]

Didnt read the whole thread because im lazy BUT;

I wouldnt unless i had a good reason to. For example, my ex wifes cuntish boyfriend keyed my car, twice, because i was still good friends with my ex wife and he hated it.

Went to police who did fuck all, twice. He refuses to pay up. So not only did his car get royally fucked over i have also advised the correct people that he claims job seekers yet works self employed earning decent money without paying tax.

Next step is a baseball bat to his face
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[hellbound]

how about the hard working person who pays their tax and then earns a bit more cash in hand and doesn't declare it?

worth shopping or leave them to it?
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