the dark knight rises

[andym]

I've been a bit of a batman fan from the 60's TV series.... I accepted the movie version with Michael Keaton (and Val Kilmer.... and George Clooney). They had a bit of comic look about the movies (they were slated at the end... but still comic like).

I accepted that Batman begins was moving away from the comic side and looking a bit more Hollywood.... The Dark Knight enforced that side of things (and wasn't totally shit), it was still acceptable(ish) at the end of the day... tonight I watched The Dark Knight Rises.... and what a steaming pile of shit it was.

It tried to be a Hollywood action movie with Hollywood sets, big explosions, edge of seat (allegedly) suspence..... Every time I seen Christian Bale I was reminded of his role in The Machinist.

What makes it worse is they have set it up for another follow up movie.

Is this what the writers have been reduced to? weak storylines.... big explosions and catering to the dumb?

[Lord Percy]

Fucking annoying isn't it. I think there are still good films out there, but it's more in the unadvertised/indie niche.

In the film industry, these shite films are called 'tent pole' movies because their profits will literally prop up the film studio while it runs at a loss for the rest of the time working on smaller productions.

The mainstream film industry is all about simple escapism and fantasy, since those are the easiest things to appeal to with a large target audience.

I guess to sum it up: the best stuff is doomed, but at least it was great in its day. The new stuff is purely for money. Now the best stuff is rare and mostly found on the indie circuits, I presume.

Every now and again a proper gem comes out and almost slips by. Best recent example I can think of is 'Children of Men'. Ferkin brilliant film, amazing concept and very realistically put forward.

[TheSmiler]

[Knightsy]

I think it's Michael Bay syndrome.
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[andym]

I admit it's not the worst movie in the world... but my point was Batman was all about the 'POW's and 'BIFF's and 'CRUNCH's and various other (sometimes made up) words in the 60's.... in the late 80's early 90's they made a cheesy version which was still comic like without the bubbles.... but now they have made it too 'Hollywood'... realistic cities.... big flashy explosions and people actually dying.

Sorry I watched 'Rises' tonight and honestly felt it could have been 2 hours shorter.... there was maybe 5 minutes during the whole movie where I thought something good was going to happen.

But then I guess that's what happens when you get older.... you've seen it all... big bangs and flashy (now computer generated) explosions... twists in the twists in the twists. Most movies are predictable these days...

Quick edit here.... I will admit that wassisname did not have the voice I expected (guess that's why they didn't have him speak in trailers (that I know of))

[Lord Percy]

To be fair I thought Bane was pretty legendary. Seemed like a good guy to me - looking after that bird because she saved his life or something (can't remember now).

[pinkyfloyd]

I'll sit on the fence:

While I couldnt stand the 90's Batman movies because they were just cheesy and.... crap!

The latest incarnation I found fantastic. It was dark, gritty with just enough of a Hollywood feel to it to make it fun.

Begins was a good storyline, slow but good and gave insight into young Bruce in a darker way than any other movie or even program.

TDK I thought was one of the best movies ever made. Yeah so what if Batman was no longer the lead character in it and was overshadowed by Heath Ledgers Joker, but, what a villain that was. Probably the best villain in any movie I have watched. Loved it from start to finish.

Rises was a let down. Banes story was under evolved. Catwomans was over evolved and the twist at the end was just pathetic. It comes in at just under 3 hours long and there was so many plot holes and so many times I wanted to connect with the characters but because of the script I just couldnt.
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[Simeski]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WQJuGeqdbn4

Pretty much sums it up

i hope the link works lol
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[RealNinja]

What Micheal Bay has tried to do, within certain Hollywood restrictions no doubt, is try to stick the the comic book Batman much closer than any of his predecesors have done, and in that he did a good job.

I'm not saying he has stuck to any of the actual plot lines or script from the comic books, but the feel of the recent films has reflected the comic much more than any of the others did.

The original Batman film (Micheal Keaton) was a good starting point, if a little cheesy, but was ruined by any of the following ones you care to mention.

Begins, DK, and Rises stick very much more to the grim 'reality' of Batman's world.

Though quite why they didnt just make Knightfall the way it was writtn in the books is beyond me
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[Alpha-9]

Meh the second film is always judged on the merits of the first, the first was really good and did really well and would be hard to live up to that expectation. It's Portal 2 syndrome
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[The Artist]

Batman Begins 7/10
Dark knight 9/10
Dark knight rises 5/10


The dark knight was brilliant IMO.

[killa]

This is the generation of everything is amazing and no body cares. It doesn't matter if you are an old fuck or not.

It seems no matter what actually appears on screen, people in large numbers will try to pick the entire thing apart, piece by piece.
People set up websites, blogs, tweets, facebook pages...all with their own version of whining.
We understand film now, how it's made, how CGI isn't as good as making it out of real 'stuff' and how that guys voice really annoys you. The 'movie magic' isn't so obtainable anymore.
I can remember, not so long ago, people used to watch endless hours of films that had plot holes bigger than the death star and actors who seem to only be cast because of hair and teeth. They are 'classic' now.

I've watched Prometheus recently and really enjoyed it but i was made to feel like i shouldn't have.

One quote I stumbled on was something along the lines of...
"DID YOU EVEN SEE THE CESAREAN PART?! THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN!!"
No it wouldn't, do i care, not really. It had me sat there with short breath as it unfolded...i knew it was a Sci Fi film and that's what i got. A couple of hours of things that probably will not happen, ever, with amazing visuals and action. Plus I did link it to the Alien films, I've been told i shouldn't and that i'm wrong. Apparently Ridley said it had nothing to do with it either, it sounds like complete shit to me but hey ho...

I've watched the making of some of these films too and the work alone that goes into some of these scenes of big hollywood action, is amazing!
I've dabbled with Adobe after effects, i've sat with friends and helped them write scripts, we've shot small scenes and as much as it's fun...i know to the outside world, it's all shit. Movie making is hard work, I've learned to appreciate that.
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[Skudd]

Which was the one that he was Hong Kong Fooey in first then Morgan Freeman helped him and I think Michael Caine was in it too? That was ok and if iyt it like that then it will be ok on a Sunday afternoon.
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[Seb]

Personally I prefer the darker style of the current Batman films. Begins was a little slow but I can forgive it since it was primarily a reboot of the series and set the scene for what was to come. DK was superb, some juicy twists and rock solid acting. Returns was decent enough but frankly Bane was never going to compare to Heath Ledger's Joker. The twist struck me as being comparatively pointless too.

Clearly this thread needs more Batman and Robin
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[MarJay]

the Batman comics are dark and brooding. The movies are dark and brooding.

The 60's TV series has nothing to do with the Batman comics, so why you seem to expect the movies to be like that I don't know.
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[Tungtvann]

You preferred George Clooney's Batman over Bale's...I have nothing else to say in this thread.

[haroman666]

Nolans trilogy is the best.

I watched Burtons "Batman" (Keaton one) last night and thought it was still what I wanted out of Batman, but involved too much of the lady friend.
Going to watch Burtons second one and then the ones with Clooney and whoever's in the 4th of that series.

I know it's old, and it's meant to have that "comicy" feel about it; but the '66 Adam West one doesn't feel like what Batman should be at all. He's meant to be a lone vigilante who fights crime and shit and then lets the police know he dunnit. But in this one, he has farrr too much colaboration with the police and authorities for the persona to depict the dark crime-fighting bat that he's meant to be. (And IMO, the whole "POW" "BASK" "KACHAAA" "WOZAPPP" shit made it almost seem like parody)
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