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JonB
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Forget your electric vehicles. Long live gas and oil! Reply with quote

• Enough Shale Gas under Blackpool alone to supply the UK for 50 years
• 250 years gas supply for entire earth already found worldwide in shale gas
• Oil Shale in Green River Formation USA has up to 3 trillion barrels of oil, that's 3x total world consumption in last 100 years
• US now biggest gas producer in world set to produce more oil than Saudi.
• [natural] Gas prices in the USA now 25% of what they were 5 years ago
• Anti global warming policies will cause economic disaster in europe as electricity prices with renewables are so expensive compared with shale gas that companies will relocate to places like USA.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... s-oil.html
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheaper petrol then?

I bet not Razz
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonB wrote:
• Enough Shale Gas under Blackpool alone to supply the UK for 50 years
• 250 years gas supply for entire earth already found worldwide in shale gas
• Oil Shale in Green River Formation USA has up to 3 trillion barrels of oil, that's 3x total world consumption in last 100 years
• US now biggest gas producer in world set to produce more oil than Saudi.
• [natural] Gas prices in the USA now 25% of what they were 5 years ago
• Anti global warming policies will cause economic disaster in europe as electricity prices with renewables are so expensive compared with shale gas that companies will relocate to places like USA.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... s-oil.html


Nuclear is a better choice than gas for electricity. Gas and oil can be used elsewhere like cars and forklifts.

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Cheaper petrol then?

I bet not Razz


No chance, environ-mentalists wouldn't allow you to do that. They've got data that says global warming is caused by usage of gas and oil. The data is totally reliable and stuff, definitely not done to suit the Green energy lobbies who stand to gain billions, nor the politicians seeking enviro-approval ratings Wink
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The good news is that our "renewable" capacity is a scam to begin with. It's just very dubious greenwashing on top of gas fired power stations.

Fortunately, we seem to have someone with at least half a wit in charge, and despite the deranged ecobleating, we're committing to gas power. Coal would be better, but I'll take gas as the next best thing.

My hope is that sooner rather than later, we'll line those snake oil peddling "think tanks" up against a wall and compost them. Then we can get back to building fossil plants to tide us over until we finally grasp the nettle and (globally) throw money at hot fusion in meaningful amounts - trillions to begin with.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fracking brilliant! I hope no chemicals end up in the water table..
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flatbadger wrote:
Fracking brilliant! I hope no chemicals end up in the water table..


Stop being such an alarmist Very Happy

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PostPosted: 17:49 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Refreshing. I used to work inthe underground reservoirs, a bit of gas would be the last of your worrys Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it mean we can expect at least a prototype of a gas powered bike?
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

During the war they used to retrofit cars and vans to run on gas, so i expect you could just modify most existing bikes.

The future is fusion power.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always wonder what replaces the mass area that extracting oil creates, can anyone answer this question?
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saudi jism?
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps, perhaps the earth is going to cave in on itself due to the oil extraction, but of course that isn't important as the end of the world is in a few weeks.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be interesting if there was a way of making oil (yes I know how it was made). Either way work on batteries and a faster way of charging and electric would be perfect. At the moment it is the battery seriously letting it down.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamie. wrote:
I always wonder what replaces the mass area that extracting oil creates, can anyone answer this question?


Basically water (fucked around a bit with with of course)

In fields where they have been extracting oil for a while and there is now no internal pressure to push out the oil, they pump down the water which sits below the oil and forces it out of the bore hole.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 08 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Jamie. wrote:
I always wonder what replaces the mass area that extracting oil creates, can anyone answer this question?


Basically water (fucked around a bit with with of course)

In fields where they have been extracting oil for a while and there is now no internal pressure to push out the oil, they pump down the water which sits below the oil and forces it out of the bore hole.


Pretty much this. Only around 10% (in very general terms) of a reservoir's oil will come out under its own pressure. The reservoirs have to be managed as the oil depletes, flows around the reservoir, seeps in from other areas and stuff. Oil and gas are held in the pores of rock, it's not like a big underground lake. Water flooding is used to help force oil from the pores and keep the reservoir pressure up. It can just be sea water or there are other water solutions that can improve reservoir yield.

Only around 20-40% of a reservoir's oil is actually recovered; the rest stays behind.
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:
work on batteries and a faster way of charging and electric would be perfect. At the moment it is the battery seriously letting it down.

Where do you propose to get your electricity from?

If the answer involves "renewables", then that's just very expensive gas generation.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:
Be interesting if there was a way of making oil (yes I know how it was made). Either way work on batteries and a faster way of charging and electric would be perfect. At the moment it is the battery seriously letting it down.


I've always thought a battery powered motor which produces more power than it uses, recharging it's own/other batteries as it works... very simple concept but yet doesn't seem to be possible.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
Polarbear wrote:


Basically water (fucked around a bit with with of course)

In fields where they have been extracting oil for a while and there is now no internal pressure to push out the oil, they pump down the water which sits below the oil and forces it out of the bore hole.


Pretty much this. Only around 10% (in very general terms) of a reservoir's oil will come out under its own pressure. The reservoirs have to be managed as the oil depletes, flows around the reservoir, seeps in from other areas and stuff. Oil and gas are held in the pores of rock, it's not like a big underground lake. Water flooding is used to help force oil from the pores and keep the reservoir pressure up. It can just be sea water or there are other water solutions that can improve reservoir yield.

Only around 20-40% of a reservoir's oil is actually recovered; the rest stays behind.


Very interesting, thanks! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamie. wrote:

I've always thought a battery powered motor which produces more power than it uses, recharging it's own/other batteries as it works... very simple concept but yet doesn't seem to be possible.


Basic rule, energy can't be created or destroyed merely changed from one form to another. You can use energy to create more energy, although you could use energy to power something to change other energy into a useful form. However if you can find a workable concept for that in a vehicle you would be very rich.

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PostPosted: 15:43 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamie. wrote:
perhaps the earth is going to cave in on itself due to the oil extraction


LOL

The crust occupies less than 1% of Earth's volume. How much of that 1% do you think we disrupt? It really is one of the things that bugs me when people go on about destroying the planet. The idea that we are significant is egotistical rather than factual. If a lump of rock can cope with bombardment from asteroids, volcanic activity on a massive scale, total freezing of the surface and intense solar radiation over billions of years then I think it'll cope with a cope with mammals and their interference for a few thousand.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. PLEASE do not link to the daily fail as a reference for these sorts of things.

2. There is a lot more to it than just the amount of shale gas available with regards to government policies and the price of gas.

When I can be arsed, I will link to an interesting thread on an engineering forum discussing the future of oil and gas by a bunch of qualified oil&gas engineers.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marki wrote:
Jamie. wrote:
perhaps the earth is going to cave in on itself due to the oil extraction


LOL

The crust occupies less than 1% of Earth's volume. How much of that 1% do you think we disrupt? It really is one of the things that bugs me when people go on about destroying the planet. The idea that we are significant is egotistical rather than factual. If a lump of rock can cope with bombardment from asteroids, volcanic activity on a massive scale, total freezing of the surface and intense solar radiation over billions of years then I think it'll cope with a cope with mammals and their interference for a few thousand.


Sarcasm was intended..
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
1. PLEASE do not link to the daily fail as a reference for these sorts of things.

2. There is a lot more to it than just the amount of shale gas available with regards to government policies and the price of gas.

When I can be arsed, I will link to an interesting thread on an engineering forum discussing the future of oil and gas by a bunch of qualified oil&gas engineers.

Please do. It would make a lovely change from another YouTube URL.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonB wrote:
The Artist wrote:
1. PLEASE do not link to the daily fail as a reference for these sorts of things.

2. There is a lot more to it than just the amount of shale gas available with regards to government policies and the price of gas.

When I can be arsed, I will link to an interesting thread on an engineering forum discussing the future of oil and gas by a bunch of qualified oil&gas engineers.

Please do. It would make a lovely change from another YouTube URL.


Fuck off Jon, if you don't want to watch videos, don't click found on the net.
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 09 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marki wrote:
Jamie. wrote:
perhaps the earth is going to cave in on itself due to the oil extraction


LOL

The crust occupies less than 1% of Earth's volume. How much of that 1% do you think we disrupt? It really is one of the things that bugs me when people go on about destroying the planet. The idea that we are significant is egotistical rather than factual. If a lump of rock can cope with bombardment from asteroids, volcanic activity on a massive scale, total freezing of the surface and intense solar radiation over billions of years then I think it'll cope with a cope with mammals and their interference for a few thousand.


We only live on that 1% though. Apart from the heat and gravity produced the rest of it might as well not be there as far as sustaining life is concerned.
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