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PostPosted: 14:13 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: bike hire in Greece Reply with quote

Out in Athens at the moment and thinking of hiring a small bike for the day.
Never rode abroad before, and told Athens is a death trap for bikes.

What do you recommend?
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: bike hire in Greece Reply with quote

open wrote:
Out in Athens at the moment and thinking of hiring a small bike for the day.
Never rode abroad before, and told Athens is a death trap for bikes.

What do you recommend?


You've ridden in London at rush hour, I presume - guessing from your location? I should think that if you ride carefully using what you've learned, you shouldn't need to worry too much.

Main thing to watch out for on the continent apart from the obvious (drive on the right) is the give way to right rule, read up on how it impacts Greece. E.g. a quick Google tells me that on Greek roundabouts, you give way to traffic entering the roundabout (traffic on your right).

You may find yourself missing traffic lights or other signs initially - different countries put them in different places, different degrees of brightness, etc. First few times I went through Calais I missed the odd traffic light until I tuned into them.

The other thing is that as you ride in more chaotic countries, the written rules are less followed, and it's more "give way to bigger vehicles". Don't rush (but don't necessarily dawdle either - go with the flow), keep your eyes open and observe how other people ride and drive, and you should be ok.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: bike hire in Greece Reply with quote

open wrote:
What do you recommend?

Checking your travel insurance before you swing a leg over a bike.
Hospital bills can be HUGE after a bike accident & wallet emptying, and insurance Co`s are notorious for not wanting to pay because of them. Especially if the bike is over 125cc

You`ll need your driving licence or IDP, also don`t give a hire Co your passport as garrantee, because if you smash up the bike, I doubt they`ll be willing to return it until you`ve paid the repair bill which will be eye watering
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: bike hire in Greece Reply with quote

Peirre oBollox wrote:
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What do you recommend?

Checking your travel insurance before you swing a leg over a bike.
Hospital bills can be HUGE after a bike accident & wallet emptying, and insurance Co`s are notorious for not wanting to pay because of them. Especially if the bike is over 125cc

You`ll need your driving licence or IDP, also don`t give a hire Co your passport as garrantee, because if you smash up the bike, I doubt they`ll be willing to return it until you`ve paid the repair bill which will be eye watering


Should be cover by the EHIC no?
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: bike hire in Greece Reply with quote

Peirre oBollox wrote:
open wrote:
What do you recommend?

Checking your travel insurance before you swing a leg over a bike.
Hospital bills can be HUGE after a bike accident & wallet emptying, and insurance Co`s are notorious for not wanting to pay because of them. Especially if the bike is over 125cc

You`ll need your driving licence or IDP, also don`t give a hire Co your passport as garrantee, because if you smash up the bike, I doubt they`ll be willing to return it until you`ve paid the repair bill which will be eye watering


Greece is in the EU. Presumably OP has EHIC, and is entitled to emergency care just like a Greek citizen. Similarly no IDP is needed with an EU license.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i hired a 100cc scooter in greece over the summer without a license. and without even showing i had a driving license.

presumably they are governed to by the same eu legislation as we are? that'd never happen here!
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: bike hire in Greece Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Should be cover by the EHIC no?

Basic "reciprocal" healthcare will be provided by the terms of the EHIC much like it is here in the UK.

What won`t be covered by the EHIC or lack of suitable M/C insurance are items such as repatriation by air ambulance when your so mashed up or dead that you need to be sent back to the UK, or providing for a relative to be flown out to the bedside to deal with the lack of suitable insurance shitstorm, fancy drug treatments to keep you alive, in fact its possble that the most basic of drugs would have to be paid for in cash before your given them.
Likewise the costs that could mount up for damage to 3rd party property or persons as a result of an accident
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: bike hire in Greece Reply with quote

Peirre oBollox wrote:
chris-red wrote:
Should be cover by the EHIC no?

Basic "reciprocal" healthcare will be provided by the terms of the EHIC much like it is here in the UK.

What won`t be covered by the EHIC or lack of suitable M/C insurance are items such as repatriation by air ambulance when your so mashed up or dead that you need to be sent back to the UK, or providing for a relative to be flown out to the bedside to deal with the lack of suitable insurance shitstorm, fancy drug treatments to keep you alive, in fact its possble that the most basic of drugs would have to be paid for in cash before your given them.
Likewise the costs that could mount up for damage to 3rd party property or persons as a result of an accident


This.

I was working with a patient who had an accident in Europe... He was well treated in hospital but had to fund (in this case through insurance) his repatriation which wasn't cheap. Return flights on a private plane, a nurse, a doctor and two pilots plus all the kit they need to keep on the plane is gonna get quite steep..
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: bike hire in Greece Reply with quote

swampy wrote:
I was working with a patient who had an accident in Europe... He was well treated in hospital but had to fund (in this case through insurance) his repatriation which wasn't cheap. Return flights on a private plane, a nurse, a doctor and two pilots plus all the kit they need to keep on the plane is gonna get quite steep..

I mate is currently stuck on hospital abroad with a brain aneurysm, he is being well cared for atm, but doesn`t have suitable travel insurance, and the cheap holiday insurance he does have isn`t worth a flying fug as the company has refused to pay for the extras & repatriation he requires. He`s now facing selling his home etc to pay for it all
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ocatoro wrote:
i hired a 100cc scooter in greece over the summer without a license. and without even showing i had a driving license.

presumably they are governed to by the same eu legislation as we are? that'd never happen here!


We never did quite 'get it' on how EU law works, in the UK we implement it and enforce it, everywhere else they implement it and ignore it.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never forget when I went to Rhodes about 20 years ago..went to hire a scooter (didn't have my licence or any id).....he asked of id ever rode a bike before, I said no. He said if I could ride it to the end of the lane and back i could hire it......I ended up dropping it trying to turn in the narrow street.....he still let me hire it !!
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 13 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some advice from the forum's resident (ex-)Greek Wink

In Greece, laws are suggestions. You can follow them if you like, ignore most of them if you don't.
Most Greeks that you will see riding bikes do not have a bike license. This is a fact. When I started taking bike lessons here, my Greek friends were baffled and asked me why the hell was I taking lessons and tests instead of just buying a bike and going for it... Rolling Eyes

That said, most big and serious bike hire companies will, of course, require to see your full bike license before giving you one of their precious bikes, even in Greece.
If, however, you are in one of the islands or remote countryside on mainland, it is possible to find a small bike hire shop hiring scooters without too many legalities. Attitudes are far more relaxed outside the big cities.

With regards to insurance, it is as mentioned above. I presume the bike hire company will provide suitable 3rd party insurance to cover all 3rd party costs. EHIC should cover any emergency costs, but repatriation is something for your travel insurance, so make sure you have some. And by the way, EHIC covers you in the same way that Greek citizens are covered - but at the moment, many Greek citizens don't even get the cover they are supposed to get and they have to pay up front for medicines they *should* get for free.
I would trust EHIC on a normal non-biking holiday, but if I were to be riding bikes there, I'd make sure my travel insurance covers all eventualities.

As for the actual riding part... Have you driven in Greece? It's great fun, once you get used to the fact that lane markings and road signs are unnecessary decorations that nobody cares for. It's a more dynamic style of driving/riding, where you fill up all the available space as fast as possible, and take advantage of the tiniest gaps.

You need to pay extra special attention all around you, as it is normal for faster cars to cut off slower bikes. At the same time, I'd say Greeks have a more acutely tuned sense of gaps, and can leave very tiny gaps when overtaking of cutting someone off - most of the time it works because they've practised it for so damn long, they are actually good at it.

Athens city centre is a nightmare to drive or ride anyway. The southern suburbs (look for signs to P. Faliro, Kalamaki, Elliniko and Glyfada) are much more open-spaced with wider roads, lots to see, beachfront cafes and such.

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PostPosted: 18:27 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys.

I hired a 150cc scooter for the day, planning on going out tonight (Sat with a beer as I write) so no more driving today. Leaving Athens tomorrow anyway so only have to survive taking it back hehehe.

Went 2 up with my mate towards glyfada and it actually wasn't to bad, everyone drives like people tell me i shouldn't when on a push bike e.g go through red lightswhen safe, filter and overtake, edge into the pedestrian crossing, etc.

It didn't take to long to get used to riding on the right either.

I'm staying in monastaraki.

Also I applied for my Ehic card but didn't have it when i traveled - how will that affect me?
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pay cash if you can, saves the hassle of them doing a "customer not present" charge when they find loads of imaginary damage on the bike and you having to claim it bike via the bank Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys.

I hired a 150cc scooter for the day, planning on going out tonight (Sat with a beer as I write) so no more driving today. Leaving Athens tomorrow anyway so only have to survive taking it back hehehe.

Went 2 up with my mate towards glyfada and it actually wasn't to bad, everyone drives like people tell me i shouldn't when on a push bike e.g go through red lightswhen safe, filter and overtake, edge into the pedestrian crossing, etc.

It didn't take to long to get used to riding on the right either.

I'm staying in monastaraki.

Also I applied for my Ehic card but didn't have it when i traveled - how will that affect me?
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