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keggyhander
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PostPosted: 01:54 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: As a libertarian, there's only one thing I would ban..... Reply with quote

Online and TV Gambling.

It's no benefit to man nor beast.

Young lads getting into debt because Poker is "cool" and "hard". And shit.

It's rubbish telly.

BCF, I put it to you......
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PostPosted: 03:04 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto. I'd ban "the crack cocaine of gambling", fixed-odds betting terminals in betting shops as well, since seeing the BBC report about how addictive they were.

https://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/05/gambling-machines-double-number-addicts
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PostPosted: 04:33 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You lost a big bet or something keggy I know a person that makes enough of gambling to mean he doesn't need a job.

However that is sport betting (football).
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought you were going to say, 'people failing to return books on time', but then I realised you had typed libertarian.
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too; I'd also ban tobacco because that's addictive as well, oh and alcohol, and Starcraft, cos someone died playing that once you know.
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id ban moaning ~ shut the fuck up cunt.
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: As a libertarian, there's only one thing I would ban.... Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
It's no benefit to man nor beast.

*cough* biking *cough*
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:
You lost a big bet or something keggy I know a person that makes enough of gambling to mean he doesn't need a job.

However that is sport betting (football).


Pound each way on the grand national is enough for me. Mug's game.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once won 50 quid on online blackjack. Took my winnings and never played again.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who gets into debt with gambling, honestly Rolling Eyes

+1 to mad_mushroom
Gambling is fun, deal with it


Unlike most things you cna actually come out with more money than you went in with, but drinking yourself to death in a pub is acceptable?
Nah i'd take a night out in a casino, go in with £20, either lose it and have had a night out with free tea and pepsi all night, or actually make money

It's a win-win, long as you're not an idiot
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doesnt work like that, it's gambling
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bollocks to it: I'd just ban people. Seems easier and tidier in the long run.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Who gets into debt with gambling, honestly Rolling Eyes

+1 to mad_mushroom
Gambling is fun, deal with it


Your naivete is touching, but not surprising. You sound like one of the poker kids I mentioned.

I've known blokes get paid, blow it all at the bookies, then go home to the wife and kids with fuck all.

At its extreme it's worse than drugs, alcohol and smoking put together in terms of the damage to families.

I'm not saying ban bookies or casinos though. Just the TV and online versions.
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
Alpha-9 wrote:
Who gets into debt with gambling, honestly Rolling Eyes

+1 to mad_mushroom
Gambling is fun, deal with it


Your naivete is touching, but not surprising. You sound like one of the poker kids I mentioned.

I've known blokes get paid, blow it all at the bookies, then go home to the wife and kids with fuck all.

At its extreme it's worse than drugs, alcohol and smoking put together in terms of the damage to families.

I'm not saying ban bookies or casinos though. Just the TV and online versions.

Yeah, some people are not sensible with gambling so lets ban gambling
Some people are obese so lets ban food
Some people are drug addicts so lets ban dru- oh wait..are you a politician by any chance? Wink

Bookies are shit, lottery is a tax for the poor, grasping at straws
All about blackjack.

My dad was a big gambler in bookies and horses and shit, he also robbed a lot, he's been in prison most my life.
I know it can get out of control for people who are fucking stupid, but that doesnt mean you should ban it entirely. That's just knee-jerk brussells bullshit
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

<Stool Bory Cro>
I worked with a chap who told us that he had to take a week off to look after his sick wife.

Since he was a bit of a geezer, his name was Googled and turned up news pictures of him grinning like a loon at a poker tournament in France. Said evidence made its way to management.

He was told not to bother coming in again, and could whistle for his notice money.

On his way back, he got caught speeding and lost his license.

And he took it out on his "sick" wife, and got sent to Barlinnie for a few months to cool off.

Oh... and he lost big time. It turns out that he's the proverbial player who can never spot the sucker at the table.

There was a silver lining though: I looted an awesome pair of headphones from his desk. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
<Stool Bory Cro>
I worked with a chap who told us that he had to take a week off to look after his sick wife.

Since he was a bit of a geezer, his name was Googled and turned up news pictures of him grinning like a loon at a poker tournament in France. Said evidence made its way to management.

He was told not to bother coming in again, and could whistle for his notice money.

On his way back, he got caught speeding and lost his license.

And he took it on his "sick" wife, and got sent to Barlinnie for a few months to cool off.

Oh... and he lost big time. It turns out that he's the proverbial player who can never spot the sucker at the table.

There was a silver lining though: I looted an awesome pair of headphones from his desk. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked in the gambling industry for 7-8 years. I made casino slot machines primarily for vegas, but also other markets.

The gambling laws in the UK are really odd. Our machines could go into UK casinos, but the casino could only have 8 of them. The machines had a max stake of £2 per spin and max prizes of £4000. It seemed ridiculous that someone who'd signed up to become a member of a casino and made a trip out could not stake more than £2. Yet... someone on their lunch break could go stake £100 per spin on a FOBTie roulette game from the high street or virtually as much as they liked using their smartphone.

The super casinos that were to be created were another example of the same attitude - can't build a casino that would revive an area like Blackpool and provide hundreds of jobs, but you can build one online that serves far more people, far more easily with far less in the way of controls.

The problem with banning online though is simply that other countries won't and it's fairly easy to get round country restrictions (I do it all the time to watch iPlayer). If you're never going to be able to stop people, you may as well take a cut of it...
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
The problem with banning online though is simply that other countries won't and it's fairly easy to get round country restrictions (I do it all the time to watch iPlayer). If you're never going to be able to stop people, you may as well take a cut of it...


Do you know how to bypass the country restrictions on YouTube? That's one thing I'm sick of.

It's the hypocrisy that bugs me though. There's the never ending "Drugs are bad, mm'kay" (even though I did E's and whizz for years without affecting anybody else), and a the various bans on smoking/advertising, yet loony juice is advertised and gambling promoted as cool by the likes of Shane Warne on TV adverts.

Not to mention online bingo. A cynical attempt to relieve web-connected grannies of their pensions. Bingo used to be a social activity, now they just want them to lose their money without any of the social benefit of going down the bingo hall.

At least in the USA you have to make a concerted effort to go to Vegas and Atlantic City (or the Injun reservations and dodgy bookies) if you want to spunk your wages away.

But if the likes of Alpha want to piss their money up the wall thinking poker and shit like that are cool, then more fool them.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you know how to bypass the country restrictions on YouTube? That's one thing I'm sick of.


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PostPosted: 21:29 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad_Mushroom wrote:
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Do you know how to bypass the country restrictions on YouTube? That's one thing I'm sick of.

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PostPosted: 21:52 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm playing poker right now. I generally play once or twice a week in winter and not at all during the summer. Over the last two and a half years I'm probably around £2000 up. Thats hardly anything special but its a bit of fun to me - if I make some extra money thats a bonus Wink

Just FYI I'm currently 296th out of 14483 entrants with a prize pool of over £81k. For a buy in of $1.10 its easy to see how people get hooked and if fact, if there is a problem, its tournaments like the one I'm in now. I've been on this table for the last couple of hours and its one where you can rebuy - at least three of my 9 fellow players have been sat there, pushing all in, getting wiped out and starting over. Thats a mugs game Wink
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do find it quite amazing how many of these online casinos have popped up. Presuming most of the players didn't go down the bookies or whatever before they arrived, that's an awful lot of new players. Shocked

I've played blackjack in a casino many times. I get so many chips and that's it, once they are gone they are gone (oh and the booze is free where I play Thumbs Up )

I wouldn't like to play on line where it (i presume) just dips into your account as it needs to without you having to do anything.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 14 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


I wouldn't like to play on line where it (i presume) just dips into your account as it needs to without you having to do anything.


There are fast deposit options, which is a worry. However, you can set a self imposed limit (mine is £20/week maximum deposit, and I don't deposit that often vs what I withdraw) and you can suspend your account for 6 months or indefinitely.

This is all for Pokerstars though, which is one of the bigger and better sites. God knows what the likes of Foxybingo do.

I'm sat in 21st now btw, I probably won't stay here though.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm happy with my profit from matched betting. Haven't touched a site for a fair bit over a year though, exhausted all of the decent offers.

Getting into debt over online gambling? Eh, I'd rather that than some of the reasons people get into debt. At least it's entrepreneurial.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't gamble, it makes no real sense and is a waste of time. Still, it's their money, and they can do what they like with it I guess Thumbs Up

keggyhander wrote:
Online and TV Gambling.

It's no benefit to man nor beast.

Young lads getting into debt because Poker is "cool" and "hard". And shit.

It's rubbish telly.

BCF, I put it to you......


You could just declare than debs due to online gambling do not have to be repaid, which would make the companies give up! Much easier.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: , Reply with quote

Im sure having an adictive personality is part of the problem, so if this is the case then these people would just find another addiction to take its place. or not as Im only speculating
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