New 2013 Ninja 250

[Tomzo47]

looks alot nicer but still put off by it being a 250, would be alot better if it was a 400 though..... https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/2013-kawasaki-ninja-250r-revealed/21128.html
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[colicabcadam]

that 250 will barley outrun a 105 hp 1.6 let alone a hot hatch, off the lights yes, but after 40mph lol
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[WannaBeDude]

At 172 kg and 33 bhp ... It would barely beat my 125 ... Could be wrong but meh.
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[ruck bodgers]

i quite like it . i bet an old 125 nsr 2 poke would give it a run for its money tho . but it certainly looks interesting .
whats that piece on top of the head? looks like a recirculation valve ?

[Knightsy]

I actually dig the new look.
That new dash looks awesome.
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[pinkyfloyd]

According to the reviews it has a top speed of 110mph. Add that to a pretty decent fuel economy (around 50mph), I can see these things starting to sell over here a lot more in todays climate. I've been looking at downsizing from my tractor to a 600 because of the price of fuel. I would even consider the little 250 if the price was right.
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[0l0dom0l0]

If only it was a 2 stroke with about 80bhp
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[P.addy]

Bit confused why they are releasing 33hp models still..

I estimate they'll sell very few of these next year due to law change.

Come on manufacturers, IL4 high revving 250/400s

[Tomzo47]

they seem to be more based at commuters, but I want another 400 sports like bike!
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[P.addy]

[Rogerborg]

It certainly is a pretty thing, and 250 is globally popular as an entry level bike.

But in the UK/EU?

When the new one is introduced, newly qualified riders who have a license to ride it will have obtained that on a 500 or larger bike, and will be licensed to ride 35kW machines.

The current 250 is £300 less than an undiscounted SV650, and the SV650 is always discounted, and typically available with a free restrictor (25kW now, 35kW next year). It's £700 less than an NC700S and that's natively at the 35kW limit, and has ABS as standard.

Fuel economy? You'd have to beat the 88mpg claimed by the more powerful NC700S (or G650GS) when ridden at the same speeds.

Insurance costs are likely to be higher. Heck, running costs too, given the likely more frequent service intervals and the plastics to take off.

It's not exactly a featherweight either. I'd prefer more for 172kg.

Now, the promised 400cc "Ninja" might be interesting, but if it's just a down-sleeved ER-6f, then it'll cost a much as one to make, and why wouldn't you just buy the ER-6f?

If manufacturers are going to offer less bike, they're really going to want to offer it for less money.
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[.Chris.]

Interesting to compare the prices listed around the world.

Here, the 'Ninja' 250 has a list price of £4649, which includes VAT, etc, but not 'government charges' (presumably first reg fee of £55 + £36 VED), so £4740 total.
In NZ, the same bike has a list price of NZ$8795, or ~£4400.
In Canada, they only sell the carbed version, but at a list price of C$5000, which is ~£3200.
In the US, they again only sell the carbed version, at a list price of $4200, or ~£2650.

Presumably in the US & Canada you have to add on sales taxes, government fees, etc, but even if taxes/charges of 25% were imposed, the price differential seems enormous. Not sure how much the FI system costs compared to carbs, but I doubt that can account for all of the difference.

Along with the impending licencing stuff Roger has mentioned, it's just too expensive here. If they were to knock a grand off the price, it might sell a bit better.
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[J D]

It's not even a 250 , its a 300 well 296 to be precise and comes with a slipper clutch
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[london-biker]

Has anyone seen one of these on the road yet?

By this (very crude) method, doesn't seem like they are selling hordes at the price point they have chosen.

[Rogue_Shadow]

What's with all the small capacity bikes weighing loads!
180kg?
My SV weighs more or less the same
Honestly don't understand the logic

[barrkel]

If you haven't ridden a 250cc class machine in anger it may be hard to understand the appeal. A lot faster in practice than a 125, hard to get into trouble on, and you are often pushing the bike to its limit. Not scary or intimidating in the least. But overtakes on the open road aren't much fun.

Shouldn't weigh more than 160 though; that's about what my scooter weighs. Around town, on a conventional bike with high centre of gravity, I'd prefer even less.
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[kawashima]

https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/kawashima_/ninja250R.png

Yes bike itself looks cooler, but apparently 2012 model has better wind protection and beginner friendly position.
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[illuminateTHE...]

I hope it doesn't look to plasticy... this maybe be the bike for me... simple progressive steps up the cc ladder may be cheap when talking about insurance.
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[P.addy]

[Blau Zedong]

[hedgehugger]

My Ninja 250 was the most expensive bike to insure that I've owned.
Around 50% more and I'm a fair bit older than you.

[instigator]

If they made anything like the old CB-1 these days, I'd go out now and buy one brand new. I like the idea of a 250 IL4 for fuel economy purposes but I just think they'll likely be a very boring ride.

[Cheeseybeaner]

The new Suzuki Inazuma 250 looks a good alternative - list price of £3250 which I suppose these days is more 125cc money.
They claim 88mpg as well...
Don't know how it compares power wise but its a 2-cylinder liquid cooled bike fuel injected exactly as the Ninja and probably a brand new engine design?

https://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/promo/000414/

It doesn't have the sports bike pretensions of the Ninja but probably doesn't need them...
I agree 4,600 for the Kawasaki seems steep and 172kg isn't far off a GPZ500's weight!
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