cruiser conversion(handle bar change question)

[kawashima]

If I attach pull-back handle bar on TDM, will it become a comfortable tourer or cruiser do you think? Is there any cons I have to be careful?
What do you think of this idea?

https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/kawashima_/TDMpull-back-bar.png

edit this "HIGH" type looks good.
https://rough-and-road.weblogs.jp/.a/6a0120a850207b970b013487d023ff970c-800wi
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[kawashima]

TDM normal handle bar width is about 80cm.
The above picture
Hardy road bar HIGH type width is 66cm.
I think I will be less tired if I attach narrower handle bar but I haven't tried yet.
Do you think 80cm to 66cm change is acceptable?
have you ever changed to narrower handle bar? I want to know what it feels like.

I also want to know why TDM or DL1000/650 type bike always have wider handle bar which seems to be more tired on long touring.
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[nowhere.elysium]

That's a big change. Have you experimented with just rolling the bars towards you? That can often feel like a massive change, even though it's only a few degrees difference.
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[kawashima]

[nowhere.elysium]

Fair enough. I just find that I'm a little reticent to change one thing so much; I tend to work on the basis of smaller changes adding up quickly, so I'd also take a look at the footpeg position and the seat height, if I had discomfort issues; although it's your arms that are drawing you forward at the moment, the legs and lower back define the rest of your position just as much. It'd offer you some more flexibility, in that you can achieve more variation in rider position if you have more points of movement to work with.

There's also the fact that by changing the bars for ones with greater rake, you'll affect the overall handling and steering response a bit, because you're modifying the bike's geometry at that point. If you go for a peg or seat conversion, you're modifying the rider's geometry without affecting the bike itself.
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[kawashima]

[barrkel]

[nowhere.elysium]

I was commenting more on the rake of the bars than the forks; I know that the forks are in a fixed position, but if the point at which the rider influences the movement of the forks is moved further back and outwards, as those bars would suggest, then it requires a very different movement to steer the bike. I know that the majority of it will be done with leaning, as opposed to turning the bars, but still; it's a very different position from which to apply force to the bars, and will alter handling as such, in my experience.
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[noobRider]

Surely if the bike is that far away from your comfort level you'd be better selling it and getting one that suits you better.
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[kawashima]

I could understand both barrkel and nowhere.elysium's post.
With narrower bar I can't steer quickly and I need more power to steer.
But the bike itself won't change into cruiser handling which will go straight. But also more upright position will lead to less weight on front tyre, which will affect its handling.

I still can't do pushing against the opposite peg technique properly yet I'm not good at cornering
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[kawashima]

[keggyhander]

[bikertomm]

I think that would make a huge difference as to how the bike feels / turns!

As said, take things in small increments just incase
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[noobRider]

[kawashima]

While searching for handlebars online, I found this set back bar riser.
I've decided to go for this one and ordered.
This seems to be minimum risk and enough effect.
I really appreciate your advices.
https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/kawashima_/bar-riser.png
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[Joe f]

Is there no room on the bars for chopping them down? I find its always best to go for small adjustments at a time.

[doggone]

Good choice, they look smart too
You can easily fit different shaped bars quite cheaply later.

[kawashima]