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keggyhander
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: The Documentary You Aren't "Allowed" To See Reply with quote

"Unlawful Killing", by Keith Allen. Yes, THAT Keith Allen.

It is a study of the inquest into the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, and Dodi Fayed. It is no secret that it was financed my Mohammed Al-fayed, but Keith only went to Fayed for funding because every TV and Film company turned him down flat. It reveals some very interesting things

You will not find this on tube sites, except perhaps some really obscure cyrillic ones. There are some news sites showing clips of it, but not much more. It is being systematically targetted for removal. The stated reason is largely due to risk of libel cases, but I don't buy it. Apparently it needed 1 cut for USA release but 87 cuts for a UK release. That, obviously, wouldn't leave much of a film.

I've just watched it, via the SwashbucklingBay.

I'm no more certain than I was before that Diana was murdered, (I'm about 50:50 on it), but what is very clear is that some very dodgy things were done in the aftermath, and some things that the press were very privy to during the inquest, yet chose not to report. They even totally misled the public about the actual verdict. The verdict blamed "Following vehicles and an unidentified Fiat Uno" and specifically NOT the paparazzi, which were left behind on their peds by the large engined Mercedes.

And yet, the press reported it as an accident caused by the paparazzi.

Yes, the film is biased, but it is a film that does deserve to be seen by the British public.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drunk speeding driver crashed and killed people who weren't wearing seatbelts. Happens all the time. The end.

I can't see Charles ordering the death of the mother of his children, I can't see the security services going through with it if he did (they can't even make terrorism suspects 'disappear') - same for any politicians.

Finally how were they supposed to even know that her Merc would be going through the tunnel at such a high rate of speed in advance, and that she wouldn't be wearing a seatbelt.

It was negligence by the driver. Chances of state killing: 0.01%.
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
Drunk speeding driver


Orly?
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As with most things related to the royals, I am replete with ungiven fucks.

There are far more pressing issues in the world today than the supposed clandestine activities of some landed family.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know much about the details but why can't it just be that the driver crashed? Especially if he was paying attention to the bikes that were 'chasing' them and he was going beyond his limits. Happens all the time.

Same as that nurse who killed herself and people start coming up with theories that the government did it, why? Why so hard to believe that she killed herself? Again, it happens all the time.

Next someone will be claiming we never landed on the moon. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've watched the documentary now and it's not changed my mind.

According to that documentary, the following people / groups of people must have been involved in the planning or the cover up:

Members of the Royal Family
Security Services (of two countries, extensive involvement)
Police officers
Several 'agents' on motorcycles and in a Fiat Uno
The initial responding medical crew (delaying the ambulance) and ambulance controller (making sure they got there)
Coroners and assistants
Politicians across TWO countries
Laboratory workers
Countless others who I've forgotten.

All set up in the hope her car would drive through that tunnel at a speed fast enough to kill her IF the plan was successful and they managed to make her car crash. Or was the driver in on it too? Rolling Eyes

Success was far from certain, and being exposed would probably have meant the end of the monarchy.

If they were going to kill her they'd have done it on home soil or at least chosen a more certain method of death that didn't necessitate the involvement of so many people.

If you were going to kill her, is that how you'd do it?
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 15 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you were going to kill her, is that how you'd do it?


Not at all, but it wasn't a new concept. I remember reading a book by Ranulph Fiennes from about 1995 where the victim's car had modified brakes. The car's brakes were controlled by remote from a following car. The movement of a joystick enabled the car to be slewed into oncoming traffic by differential braking.

Right at the start, Keith Allen said he wasn't investigating conspiracy before the fact, but after it.

I don't know about you but the delay in getting Diana to the hospital doesn't sit right with me. Also:

-Refusal by security services to allow Mercedes engineers to inspect car

-Bizarre blood test results of Henri Paul, who had only had two small liqueurs

-Diana was known to favour the right rear seat. Right rear seat belt inoperable

-CCTV cameras turned off in Pont d'Alma tunnel

-Evidence at crash scene cleaned up before investigation performed

-CCTV in tunnel magically turned back on as soon as evidence removed

-Suppression of lawyers notes by Met police regarding Diana's murder fears

I could go on but there's no need.

It's as bent as a nine-bob note.
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who the fuck is Keith Allen?

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PostPosted: 00:42 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Any chance you can ask Keith Allen (whoever the fuck that is) to take a shot at the rest of the parasitic inbreds too?


Just how old are you Donny?

Must be very young, or very old, to not know who Keith Allen is.
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PostPosted: 00:52 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
DonnyBrago wrote:
Any chance you can ask Keith Allen (whoever the fuck that is) to take a shot at the rest of the parasitic inbreds too?


Just how old are you Donny?

Must be very young, or very old, to not know who Keith Allen is.




I've never heard of him, and don't recognise his face.


I am neither very young, nor very old.


Perhaps you just watch far too much TV?
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PostPosted: 01:14 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:


I've never heard of him, and don't recognise his face.


I am neither very young, nor very old.


Perhaps you just watch far too much TV?


Wotcha.

Same here.
Just Googled him . . . . .and still never heard of, or seen him in anything. . . . . there again, I don't watch much TV.
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PostPosted: 03:03 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
I don't know about you but the delay in getting Diana to the hospital doesn't sit right with me. Also:


If you came off your bike tomorrow you'd be lying in the road for about an hour before they'd move you into the truck, they would then sit there for half an hour before driving to hospital filling out a prf, because the NHS is so tied down in red tape.

The French work in a slightly different way, in that they stabilise on scene. I don't know what the exact details of Diana's injuries where but if she wasn't breathing they would be resuscitating on scene instead of conveying.

Whereas where I work (a private company, subcontracted to the NHS) I work within a ten minute target. There's no reason for the NHS to keep you there for that long, unless it's something like an extrication. When I arrive on scene I'd have you inside the truck and preparing for transport within ten minutes, not rushing anything, and not compromising any injuries you may have sustained.

At the end of the day (for internal injuries anyway) I can't treat you properly, but the hospital can Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:36 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
keggyhander wrote:

Just how old are you Donny?

Must be very young, or very old, to not know who Keith Allen is.




I've never heard of him, and don't recognise his face.


I am neither very young, nor very old.


Perhaps you just watch far too much TV?


Yeah you're a kid Razz

I don't watch any TV apart from when I go round to mates house when I get exposed to whatever banal shit they are watching.

Allen appeared in several Comic Strip productions in the 80s (didn't have a TV for most of that decade either, punk rock dude). He also gobbed off on a late night Channel 4 talk show which had the chattering classes chattering. Likes to promote his working class roots, tho sent his daughter Lilly (some Mockney bitch, never heard of her Razz) to a number of expensive public schools. He "worked" in/for Deptford Fun City a late 70s Punk label which was home to Squeeze and Alternative TV.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are all the fucks I give at a party I threw for them:

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PostPosted: 12:28 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So who killed Jimmy Saville then?
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
(they can't even make terrorism suspects 'disappear') - same for any politicians.



Why the fuck would they want terrorists to disappear?
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

When it comes to this sort of conspiracy theory where the real facts cannot easily be known, it seems sensible to just look at it in terms of how logical the motives are. Sort of risk and reward analysis.

On the one hand you have the fairly minor benefits of killing diana off and on the other the massively damaging consequences of the plot being found out (to put it mildly).

On that basis alone I would discount it. Much like the idea that GW had the twin towers packed with explosives.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
As with most things related to the royals, I am replete with ungiven fucks.

There are far more pressing issues in the world today than the supposed clandestine activities of some landed family.

Don't come into Live Chat then, we ran out of fucks last week, thought we had some spare, but actually someone had mischieviously resealed an empty box of fucks back up to make it look like an unopened box of fucks.

It's why I am struggling to find any fucks to give now Sad
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only survivor of the crash was sitting in the least survivable position, but was the only one wearing his seatbelt.

Fucking moronic not to put your belt on, and it was that lack of imagination which killed her, nothing else.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

D O G wrote:
The only survivor of the crash was sitting in the least survivable position, but was the only one wearing his seatbelt.

Fucking moronic not to put your belt on, and it was that lack of imagination which killed her, nothing else.


Did you not see the bit that said that even though the rear of the car was undamaged, the right rear belt was inoperable?
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
D O G wrote:
The only survivor of the crash was sitting in the least survivable position, but was the only one wearing his seatbelt.

Fucking moronic not to put your belt on, and it was that lack of imagination which killed her, nothing else.


Did you not see the bit that said that even though the rear of the car was undamaged, the right rear belt was inoperable?


No, because I didn't watch it.

If that was true, she should have said something, or sat in the middle rear seat which no doubt had a 3 point belt too.

What were the excuses for Dodi and the driver, or were they just idiots?
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
Did you not see the bit that said that even though the rear of the car was undamaged, the right rear belt was inoperable?

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Analysis of the wreckage of the car after its repatriation to England in 2005 by a Forensic Accident Investigator from the Transport Research Laboratory of thirty-five years experience on behalf of Operation Paget found that all the seatbelts were in good working order with the exception of the right rear one which was for the seat Diana occupied. Follow up enquiries with French investigators found that they had declared all the seatbelts operational at an examination in October 1998, suggesting the damage to this seatbelt took place after the accident.


The conspiracy theory is a load of made up rubbish. 3000 people are killed in bog standard car crashes around the world every single day. Why some people refuse to believe that Diana couldn't possible be one of these is beyond me.

The only thing that the "british public deserve" to see is a reasoned argument, not a youtube video that wouldn't be out of place on geocities.

See below for a decent, reasoned, properly cited argument:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Diana,_Princess_of_Wales_conspiracy_theories
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PostPosted: 01:31 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:


The only thing that the "british public deserve" to see is a reasoned argument, not a youtube video that wouldn't be out of place on geocities.



It's not a "youtube video". It's a professionally produced documentary film.

"Loose Change", that famous 9/11 low-budget conspiracy video, was never systematically removed from tube sites, and involved much higher stakes if it had been true. It was left alone.

This one, on the other hand disappears as soon as it is uploaded.

And Lord, oh lord, you offer in counter-argument a wikipedia link. I claim 5 pounds.

But never mind, there's always Jimmy Savile and his colleagues to occupy the public.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
And Lord, oh lord, you offer in counter-argument a wikipedia link. I claim 5 pounds.

Using the "OMG you just quoted wikipedia! Wikipedia is always wrong!" argument is a bit old these days.

Do you know that Mohamed Al Fayed financed the film to the tune of £2.5m? I wonder what kind of biased slant he wanted to portray?

The film apparently calls Prince Phillip a "Fred West-style psychopath" and the Queen a "gangster in a tiara". Hmm.

The only way to prove once and for all if the Diana death was a cover-up would be to run a six-month inquest with a judge, 250 witnesses and a jury, costing around £12m. This would probably prove that grossly negligent driving was to blame, just how the other 2999 people died that day in car crashes.

Oh wait...
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