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PostPosted: 17:55 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: HID legality? Reply with quote

Hey guys, I have had an hid kit sitting around for a few weeks, I finaly went to fit it on Friday and it stopped working during fitment. I realised just now that it was the fuse that broke Smile anyway I'm gonna put it on tomorrow I think, I was just wondering if anyone has had any legal problems whilst using an hid kit? I know technically they are illegal, however I have heard that a lot of people have never been pulled over or had any sort of problem.

The light beam pattern is actually pretty decent, considering many people say how scattered it can be.

Thanks for any replies.

(being fitted to a 1999 Honda hornet 600 with a clear headlight lens)
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a kit fitted to my bike for the last 4 years, the aim is adjusted slightly low and the pattern is pretty good. Never had a problem with anyone about it, mots it's never even mentioned.
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nb wrote:
Had a kit fitted to my bike for the last 4 years, the aim is adjusted slightly low and the pattern is pretty good. Never had a problem with anyone about it, mots it's never even mentioned.


Thanks, just gives me that extra bit of confidence Smile
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 16 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think they are legal unless the lamp is a specific type designed for HID.
But probably not be an issue so long as your MoTer is happy.
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should at least be in a projector headlamp, however I have a HID kit on my bike without and the aim is better than the old bulbs.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wanker lights as we refer to them up here.

Anyway, Make sure they are in projector light housing or the light beam will disperse in every direction blinding other road users.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My auto sparky experience says it is illegal of course but you can just follow a friend in a car then drive towards him for glare adjustment. Apply tasteful vinyl eyelids to headlamp to limit said glare if excessive, i know every reason not to use them, have done so in a few cars and one bike. Bike had a gay as "street fighter" with hi/lo h4 hid fitted and i used it till i had a stock headlamp. Never been pulled, only been testing stations that wont pass, whereas most workshops usually are impressed by such a conversion, because you as a motorcyclist are invisible, ,

If you have hid, it goes from s.m.i.d.sy to f.in.so.an.so, id take a ticket for hid anyway just for the visibility. Long rant must beer now.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply's, as already mentioned I had the hid kit fitted for about 5 minutes before I thought it had broken (fuse blown) and the light beam seemed just as good as the halogen bulb.

I guess ill just put it in today and see what it is like.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reed wrote:
Thanks for the reply's, as already mentioned I had the hid kit fitted for about 5 minutes before I thought it had broken (fuse blown) and the light beam seemed just as good as the halogen bulb.

I guess ill just put it in today and see what it is like.


I know some cnut had an HID fitted which would flash on and off like a cnut. No feckin' use if it's cheep, cheerless, Chinese Shite.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mines cheap, fitted and absolutely fine
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're NOT illegal.

DoT would like them to be illegal, and in their "opinion" all the same requirements for OE fitment should apply to the aftermarket (washers, self-levelers), but the law does not say so.

(And the EU rewrote all this recently, so could have included it if they wanted to.... but they didn't.)

Beam pattern must be OK though to pass MOT, so use "R" type bulbs in reflector housings.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

defblade wrote:
They're NOT illegal.

DoT would like them to be illegal, and in their "opinion" all the same requirements for OE fitment should apply to the aftermarket (washers, self-levelers), but the law does not say so.

(And the EU rewrote all this recently, so could have included it if they wanted to.... but they didn't.)

Beam pattern must be OK though to pass MOT, so use "R" type bulbs in reflector housings.


Thankyou for that Mr. Green

Fitted an HID to my bike, just as the icy weather hit, so have only had the bike out a few times since then, but I'm loving the HID light!!

Compared to the original headlamp, which was appallingly bad for a big, fast, bike, the HID is a world apart. I got the full HID kit - not just a bulb - and it's in the standard headlamp housing.

And frankly I'd rather be able to see, and be seen, long before I worry about whether I'm bending any EU crappy laws! Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thankyou for that Mr. Green

Fitted an HID to my bike, just as the icy weather hit, so have only had the bike out a few times since then, but I'm loving the HID light!!

Compared to the original headlamp, which was appallingly bad for a big, fast, bike, the HID is a world apart. I got the full HID kit - not just a bulb - and it's in the standard headlamp housing.

And frankly I'd rather be able to see, and be seen, long before I worry about whether I'm bending any EU crappy laws



Same as me then Smile my original headlight housing works just fine with a full hid kit Smile so far seems so much better!
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Personally I would prefer to be able to see slightly less and not have half the drivers on the road dazzled by a few dodgy HID setups.

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:25 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not seen any evidence so far that they're being dazzled, and after a few people clearly NOT seeing me before, I can honestly say I feel safer with the HID - I have passed my IAM Advanced motorbike test, so I know how to ride safely, use good observation, road position and forward planning - and I STILL feel a whole lot safer with the HID Mr. Green

Then there's the whole bit of being able to see where you're going - first time I overtook a car on the bike I nearly shat myself - where's the f*cking road??? Bloody headlamp didn't throw out nearly enough light!! I'm not doing anything stupid in the dark, but it is damned nice to see the road ahead when it's only your lamp illuminating it!!
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Personally I would prefer to be able to see slightly less and not have half the drivers on the road dazzled by a few dodgy HID setups.

All the best

Keith


My hid has not made anyone flash me yet, and personally I like having a headlight that is brighter than the crap I had before
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 17 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turnwise wrote:
I've not seen any evidence so far that they're being dazzled


Even some standard ones manage it (Porsche Boxster is a pain should one be overtaking you on the motorway), and way more manage it when coming over the brow of a hill. On a bike with a short wheel base the angle will change far more than a car. Even before adding a pillion.

Dazzle someone and it will take far longer for their night vision to return than the time it took to dazzle them.

Reed wrote:

My hid has not made anyone flash me yet, and personally I like having a headlight that is brighter than the crap I had before


I would like a high powered laser to incinerate anyone pulling out in front of me, but it ain't going to happen Laughing .

All the best

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PostPosted: 05:38 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turnwise wrote:
I have passed my IAM Advanced motorbike test, so I know how to ride safely, use good observation, road position and forward planning - and I STILL feel a whole lot safer with the HID Mr. Green


Well done on the IAM stuff. It has worked as well, you are supremely overconfident while not giving a damn about anyone else on the road.

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PostPosted: 07:08 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Turnwise wrote:
I have passed my IAM Advanced motorbike test, so I know how to ride safely, use good observation, road position and forward planning - and I STILL feel a whole lot safer with the HID Mr. Green


Well done on the IAM stuff. It has worked as well, you are supremely overconfident while not giving a damn about anyone else on the road.

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PostPosted: 07:09 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i posted this in a another thread a while back relating too a simlar question ..HID was a massive improvement for me Smile
If its done correctly there is no beam scatter issue and glare is almost non existent.

This is a low beam comparison in a modified 50 mm projector standard & 4300k HID

https://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo256/fireyphoenix1989/motorbikes/comparison.jpg

lol the high beam lights the steet up. i ride a lot of unlit backroads as my gf living the middle of nowhere
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turnwise wrote:
and the award for 'keyboard warrior' goes to...


And the prize for noob who doesn't know me goes to Turnwise, who doesn't realise I will happily tell him to his face that he is over confident and doesn't care about other road users.

Not really sure where the keyboard warrior bit comes in to it, especially considering I didn't threaten you?


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PostPosted: 09:01 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turnwise wrote:
and the award for 'keyboard warrior' goes to...




It must be YOUR'S to give away.

Tell us, do you ride in Belstaffs, Dianese, Rukka or just your Pipe and Slippers?

Having been riding a bike and driving a car for many years I can say I am pleased to have successfully avoided IAM (even for my dogs and cat).
And I can 'safely' say it hasn't caused me to crash or lessen my riding experience.
It has meant I didn't have to listen to too much of the pontificating cunts who 'work' for IAM though.
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Dazzle Reply with quote

I have Nightbreakers rather than HID and have had a couple of protests when going uphill on low beam.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Dazzle Reply with quote

oldenuff wrote:
I have Nightbreakers rather than HID and have had a couple of protests when going uphill on low beam.


You must be too fat and your engine and gearbox are protesting then.

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PostPosted: 10:08 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Dazzle Reply with quote

oldenuff wrote:
I have Nightbreakers rather than HID and have had a couple of protests when going uphill on low beam.


then you need too adjust your headlight aim Confused
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