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PostPosted: 11:24 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Well done cameron. Reply with quote

You greasy fat-faced parasite fuck.

On the BBC this morning, the POLICE admitting that shoplifting has skyrocketed due to POVERTY and DESPERATION (as opposed to 'greed').

When the police themselves, one of the most cynical and malicious organisations in the land, say that you have to give it credence.

And a massive rise of those now in fuel poverty. But we're "all in it together", ain't we davey boy.

Merry xmas, you vile evil 'man'. Middle Finger

Oh...google and Amazon etc still getting their nice little tax let-offs? Hmm...?
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Well done cameron. Reply with quote

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You greasy fat-faced parasite fuck.

On the BBC this morning, the POLICE admitting that shoplifting has skyrocketed due to POVERTY and DESPERATION (as opposed to 'greed').

When the police themselves, one of the most cynical and malicious organisations in the land, say that you have to give it credence.

And a massive rise of those now in fuel poverty. But we're "all in it together", ain't we davey boy.

Merry xmas, you vile evil 'man'. Middle Finger

Oh...google and Amazon etc still getting their nice little tax let-offs? Hmm...?

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PostPosted: 11:45 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll try harder. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Well done cameron. Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
You greasy fat-faced parasite fuck.

On the BBC this morning, the POLICE admitting that shoplifting has skyrocketed due to POVERTY and DESPERATION (as opposed to 'greed').

When the police themselves, one of the most cynical and malicious organisations in the land, say that you have to give it credence.


Or they might be saying it as it is their job to prevent that sort of thing and are passing the buck....

Add the fact that one of their own has just been made to look like a cunt by one of Davey's mates and it might seem tit-for-tat.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Well done cameron. Reply with quote

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You greasy fat-faced parasite fuck.


I spat my cheese toastie out at that. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

where does the UK get this parade of weak spineless prime ministers? All they want to do is keep apologising for who ever may be offended. The last man the UK had in office was Margaret Thatcher. She had more balls than the latest crop.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

its a sad day when people have no choice but to steal food to feed there kids
don't get me wrong people that shoplift for gain / feed there drug addiction etc get no sympathy from me

and its not going to get better any time soon, in fact it will most likely get worse
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyway why should he worry him and his other scumbag friends are well fed and boozed up at our expense

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The House of Commons bar and restaurant subsidy has been cut by a meagre £600,000. That means the new total coughed up by the taxpayer to allow MPs a huge discount on their food and drink stands at £5.2 million. 20% cuts to the defence budget but a reduction of just 10% when it comes to your money paying for their booze.


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Did you know that our illustrious MPs are entitled to claim up to £400 per month ‘Food Allowance’ without having to produce a single receipt.


thats a lot more than some Family's can budget for food a month
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
But how many of them are doing it for teh lulz like Biohazard on here , said in a thread a few weeks back.

can't see the need to steal when you can just be given benifits to behave.

It's all passing the parcel and nothing being done.


I suspect very few people want to be poor or live on benefits
most people I know would be more than happy to work for a decent wage
and some work for crap wages just to have a little income or even a second job

these MP's get paid £65k + expenses thats a lot more than a decent wage
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe for a moment that anyone shop lifting is doing so out of desperation for food. We have a VERY generous benefits system in this country, that is ample to feed people on when you only spend money on the basics.

Perhaps it's just that they can't afford food because they've got I-phones and booze to pay for? Not to mention their 4 little Johnny's all need xboxes for Christmas.

It is a shame that we have had massive public sector job cuts that have put a lot of people out of work.

But that is actually the fallout from the massive debt the last Labour government left for the country. Caused, in part, by the benefit system I mentioned above being left wide open to abuse for a generation.

I'd be interested to know which of the current Government's policies in particular you disagree with?

I have a few. Firstly I think foreign aid should be cut... we need to get our own house in order first.

And I agree that mass corporations tax dodging is not on. But actually (and I am a tax advisor by profession) this is something that has become newsworthy only because the current Government is actually doing something about it. Unlike Labour.

The cuts to the benefit system were long overdue and the public sector job cuts are an unfortunate hangover from the last government.

So please, tell me, if you were Prime Minister, what would you have done?
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Well done cameron. Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
the POLICE

Who?

If it was some ACPO Plc shiny backside, he'll have been laying the ground for the jump to a future career as a nuLabor "commissioner".

Anyone above the rank of Sergeant, Detective Lieutenant has no idea what the word on the street is.

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PostPosted: 14:15 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So please, tell me, if you were Prime Minister, what would you have done?


first off I would not have bailed out the bank's, they fucked up they take the consequences

invest the money saved in the infrastructure and start repairing road's etc
that generates job's therefore tax back to the government
build more decent housing again this creates job's as well as homes that people need
invest in education not cut it in real terms same with the health service
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So please, tell me, if you were Prime Minister, what would you have done?


I agree with most of your post; however, where I would've gone differently is to batten-down the hatches by refusing to hand-over excess to the EU to fund development overseas and denied EU rules by ensuring British companies were supported to develop national infrastructure projects. If something needed renegotiating with the EU at some later date, so be it.

EU laws only apply to members and ONLY if they choose to apply them (as seen by the many dissenters such as France, Spain, Italy).
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're all millionaires

In it together applies to them and their mates, we're just the cog turners

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1280554/The-coalition-millionaires-23-29-member-new-cabinet-worth-1m--Lib-Dems-just-wealthy-Tories.html

daily fail link but there you go
Of course they're detached from reality

But who you gonna call?
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:


But who you gonna call?


UKIP.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To have not bailed out the banks would have cost a hell of a lot more to the taxpayer.

And actually, it was an investment. Banking is a profitable business when done correctly and the British government now owns large portions of both RBS and Lloyds.

Turn them around, get them on their feet and not only is the crisis averted but you'll actually make money on your investment.

Repairing roads may create jobs, but you've just made an entire banking sector (that pays a hell of a lot more in tax than repairing roads) redundant. What about the income tax you'll lose off of them?

Agree that government invested housing works, but then you need capital to get that project started and you won't see a return for 20 years. Hardly in a position to do that, are we?
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are all in it together - I am in the top 5% for wages, but I am now seriously looking at emigration, as my wages have fallen significantly in the last few years, my taxes have shot up, my pension has been raided, there is talk of screwing with my T&Cs and I can make 3x as much in Australia, Canada and the USA. A lot of my colleagues are doing the same and 10% have already gone.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
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So please, tell me, if you were Prime Minister, what would you have done?


I agree with most of your post; however, where I would've gone differently is to batten-down the hatches by refusing to hand-over excess to the EU to fund development overseas and denied EU rules by ensuring British companies were supported to develop national infrastructure projects. If something needed renegotiating with the EU at some later date, so be it.

EU laws only apply to members and ONLY if they choose to apply them (as seen by the many dissenters such as France, Spain, Italy).


Agree totally.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

syl wrote:
We are all in it together - I am in the top 5% for wages, but I am now seriously looking a emigration, as my wages have fallen significantly in the last few years, my taxes have shot up, my pension has been raided, there is talk of screwing with my T&Cs and I can make 3x as much in Australia, Canada and the USA. A lot if my colleagues are doing the same and 10% have already gone.


This is what really p*sses me off about the UK - though again it started under Labour so this is not about one Goverment or another but about UK governments historically.

We have it all upside down in this country.

If you achieve... if you push yourself... if you work hard in your education, you get a good job, you do well for yourself..... you get F*CKED.

I agree that the rich should pay more in tax, but the government should NEVER take more than half of someone's pay in tax. I don't see how that can be morally correct.

On the flip side, if you are a lazy chav, who didn't bother with school... whose parents didn't work, whose neighbours didn't work... 3 kids before they're 18, no job, no prospects. What do we do?

We give them a house, we give them benefits.

In the UK EIGHTY THOUSAND people claim disability benefit for alcohol or drug addicition. These are people who claim to be unable to work because they're alcoholics.

You know what, if I didn't have a job, I'd get f*cking pissed all the time because I'd also be bored senseless. 20,000 of those people have been on this benefit for more than 10 years.

This is the problem with the UK. It taxes the successful and rewards the bone idle.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bailing out the banks was robbing the poor to keep the rich in there jobs or 6 figure+ bung to fuck off for screwing up
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
I'll try harder. Laughing

I wouldn't bother, most of us see it as "oh Hetzer, another one of those rants, about something or other" they are all pretty much the same, calling someone "in power" scum, followed by "sticking it to the man" on a bike forum Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

All you ever do is call people scum, that is it, even Smiler can do that.

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I suspect very few people want to be poor or live on benefits
most people I know would be more than happy to work for a decent wage
and some work for crap wages just to have a little income or even a second job

these MP's get paid £65k + expenses thats a lot more than a decent wage

I suspect those "poor" people haven't actually done anything with their lives, sorry but 90% of the time there is a reason you're poor, it isn't to do with the government, it is to do with the lack of skills, lack of applying yourself in school, lack of actually wanting to do something with your life.

Look at Smiler, only a few years difference between us, similar education, apart from he did a tiny bit of Uni/college, I didn't....I turned over £500k last year, Smiler was given about £3000 in benefits.

Now let's look at the difference, I started with nothing, £15k loan to get going back in 2009, my business is now fairly succesful and growing, I have just landed a massive contract potentially worth 6 figures upwards.

Smiler has stayed in bed, dicked about, not applied himself to getting a job, not seen something through to the end, scrounges of BCF, lives on less than £30 a week for food.

Now these MP's have worked hard to get to that place, with college/uni, doing support for their constituency, a job that not everyone can do, they have applied themselves for a specific job, why can they not get paid that? Why would they do it for less?

People earn more money, because they actually want to do something with their lives, ask Smiler what he wants to do with his life, you will laugh at his answer.


Don't want to be poor, do something with your life, simple as that, not being funny but the people who generally complain about being poor are in that situation because of themselves, no one else. You can't stop people living above their means and then complaining about being poor.



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oliverdupuy wrote:

So please, tell me, if you were Prime Minister, what would you have done?


first off I would not have bailed out the bank's, they fucked up they take the consequences

invest the money saved in the infrastructure and start repairing road's etc
that generates job's therefore tax back to the government
build more decent housing again this creates job's as well as homes that people need
invest in education not cut it in real terms same with the health service

Ok so you wouldn't have bailed the banks out, so everyone who has money in those banks would lose their money, then there is little trading money wise on the stock exchange which is instant lose to the economy.

Invest money in the infrastructure and repair the roads...Good idea, where does this money come from? Bear in mind you have just made loads of people poor by losing their money by not bailing out the banks, the stock exchange of UK banks is now worth nothing, no money there either, no tax on that.

Creates jobs, therefore creates tax....ok so the government has no money to do this, lets say they did.
They pay £1000 for a road to be fixed
The company pays £700 on materials
The work force get paid £25 say x3 so£75
Leaves £225 profit for the company.

So £300 is going in to peoples pockets, 20% income tax and corporation tax (togther) £60 tax back to the government.....so this repair of £1000 has cost £940,


Invest in housing? Same as above, but who is going to buy these houses? You didn't bail out any of the banks, so not only have these people got no money, they can't even go to a bank to get a mortgage, you would have 2-3 banks in the UK, and I am sure they will be very nice and all feel sorry for these people and offer low mortgage rates Thinking

Invest in the NHS? Why, it is a pile of shit, I wont use it, I have private but there is nothing you can do to help the NHS apart from scrap it and start again, wipe it completely clean.


I am surprised you didn't add "we could print some more money"

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your plan is insane, all it would do is bankrupt the country worse than labour ever has, and on top of that Hetzer will still find a way to call you scum and rant about something on a bike forum.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:
oliverdupuy wrote:

So please, tell me, if you were Prime Minister, what would you have done?


first off I would not have bailed out the bank's, they fucked up they take the consequences


Laughing

Really?

Do you know what those consequences would have been?
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:
bailing out the banks was robbing the poor to keep the rich in there jobs or 6 figure+ bung to fuck off for screwing up


Ok. In my post I backed up my arguments with reasoning. Such as the bit where I mentioned that, although the Government needed to buy into the banks to keep them afloat and that cost money, the Government got something for their money. About 85% of RBS and about 40% of Lloyds from memory.

That is an asset, that can be sold for a lot more than the Government paid for it, once the banks are back making profits (which they will).

So please tell me, where is the reasoning in your argument?

Or did you just regurgitate something your heard once from a tabloid newspaper or something similar?
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