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 Posted: 10:56 - 19 Dec 2012  Post subject: SMIDSY - Quote from Lancashire Constabulary |
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https://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/terminally-ill-driver-escapes-prosecution-1-5237265
| Quote: | Sgt Mick Young said although there had been enough evidence to prosecute Mrs Harrison for causing death by careless driving, no action had been taken. |
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| Quote: | A terminally-ill woman surrendered her driving licence just hours after a teenager died under the wheels of her car.
An inquest in Preston heard that Teresa Harrison, 85, told police she did not see the motorcyclist until after the collision on Lytham Road.
The pensioner from Preston was shocked but unharmed after the accident in March.
But Hungarian-born Mihaly Besnyi, 17, of Waterloo Road, Ashton, could not breathe after being trapped under the front wheels of the Ford Fusion car.
Witness Desmond Conway told the inquest how he was parked about 100 yards from the scene of the accident near the junction with Hardcastle Road.
He said: “I first saw the motorcyclist more or less as I heard the screeching of his brakes.
“There was a black car turning right and the
motorcyclist began to go to the left as if avoiding it.
“But then he came off the motorcycle and landed in the path of the car, which continued to turn right.”
Mr Conway said the driver seemed unaware that the motorcylist was there.
He said: “She rode over the top of him, coming to a stop with him under the front wheels.”
Sgt Mick Young said although there had been enough evidence to prosecute Mrs Harrison for causing death by careless driving, no action had been taken.
He said: “It was not thought to be in the public interest because of her terminal medical
condition and the fact that she had surrendered her licence the day after the accident.”
In a statement to police Mrs Harrison admitted she has not seen Preston college student Mihaly.
She said: “I’m sorry. I just did not.
“I didn’t see him.”
Accident investigation officer PC Richard
Harrison said the collision had been at low speed, with little damage to
either the car or the
Honda 125cc motorcycle.
He estimated that the car had pushed him along the road for between 2.5m and 3.5m.
He said: “He was doing nothing wrong.
“He was not speeding.”
Dr Mark Pitt, pathologist at Royal Preston
Hospital, said the cause of death was asphixiation.
Recording a verdict of accidental death, deputy coroner Simon Jones said: “Mrs Harrison’s remaining days are likely to be defined by her failure to see Mr Besnyi.
“His life ended through no fault of his own.”
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Posted: 11:12 - 19 Dec 2012  Post subject: |
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And still, there is nothing in terms of a re-test for elderly people to lessen the amount of times this happens. How absolutely appalling a driver must you be and how disconnected from what you are actually doing must you be to stop ON TOP of someone? I've said it before and I'll say it again, elderly drivers scare me the most.
How sad
I have to kind of agree that it wouldn't be in anyone's interest to imprison the elderly ill person, they're obviously already going to be living with the hell of having killed someone, but I really think more needs to be done to stop this kind of thing happening. People need to shout up if they know someone who is driving when they probably shouldn't be, for a start. And I don't just mean elderly, many illnesses can affect your driving ability.
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| Posted: 11:15 - 19 Dec 2012 Post subject: |
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Disgraceful and sad.
Another vote for retesting of older drivers...
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| Posted: 11:58 - 19 Dec 2012 Post subject: |
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"It was not thought to be in the public interest".
Same crap l got from Surrey police when a arrogant 80+ year old biddy drove into the back of my parked car then left without reporting it. I only caught her thanks to my CCTV. Since then she has drove into at lest 3 other cars on my road and still they wont prosecute her. 
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| yaigi wrote: | I've said it before and I'll say it again, elderly drivers scare me the most. |
Agreed. I once saw a Nissan Micra being driven in a competent, aware manner. Once.
You can see flat caps and blue rinses by daylight, but at night, they can be lurking anywhere.
I personally would be fine with taking a "minimal competency" test every 5 years if it would get a few coffin dodgers off the roads. Not a full retest, just: make it to the test centre, 15 minute trip via a NSL road, quick lecture from DSA Derek, see you in 5 years.
We have drink-drive campaigns, we have speeding campaigns, we even have Think! campaigns... why have I never seen or heard or read anything from the State saying "How many people are you going to let your mum crash into before you take her keys?" 
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| Posted: 13:21 - 19 Dec 2012 Post subject: |
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That one's much worse than the old biddy!!
| Quote: | Blackburn magistrates heard that the car driver, a 23-year-old Read man, stopped and got out of his vehicle, seeing and hearing the injured man, before getting back in and driving away.
He only contacted the police after stopping on a pub car park two miles away when he discovered the biker's foot still embedded in his bumper.
Defendant Peter John Dearing (pictured), of Read Old Bridge, Read, pleaded guilty to driving without due care and attention, failing to stop after an accident, driving other than in accordance with a provisional licence, without insurance, and with defective brakes and defective steering. |
At least the old biddy handed her licence in straight away, plus will have to deal with that guilt for the rest of her short life. I'm assuming she was driving legally other than being a blind daft old bat?
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| Rogerborg wrote: | I personally would be fine with taking a "minimal competency" test every 5 years if it would get a few coffin dodgers off the roads. Not a full retest, just: make it to the test centre, 15 minute trip via a NSL road, quick lecture from DSA Derek, see you in 5 years. |
I 100% agree with this as it would take the worst off the roads. I personally know one pensioner who cannot see but refuses to wear glasses. I offered to pay for his eye test.
He has been in multiple accidents and yet always blames the other driver. I refuse to get in a car with him. A simple 'round the block' test would weed him out and have prevented multiple accidents.
I was hit head on by a pensioner who, for some reason, decided to drive on the wrong side of the road into incoming traffic... and then proceeded to blame me, claiming it was my fault because I was travelling too fast!
Enough already, it's dangerous enough out there without dodging people who should not be driving. When I am unable to drive, I will simply not drive. Sure, it will be a pain but I'd rather do that then be a dangerous idiot.
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| tbourner wrote: | At least the old biddy handed her licence in straight away |
Mr Foot-Reaper didn't even have a license to hand in.
Magistrates' court, so the most he could have got was 6 months, i.e. out in 3. They probably banned him from driving though, that'll be him told. 
Oh, linked from there:
[Mother of young children left with broken back after being clipped by] the wing mirror of what has been described as a champagne coloured car, similar to a Jaguar, which did not stop at the scene. It is thought the driver of the car, who was a man, may have been elderly and had grey hair.
D'ya think? Still, didn't mean it, probably a decent fellow, member of the golf club, don't blame yourself, old chap, it could happen to anyone.
Hmm, Jaaaaag... probably was a Magistrate.
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| Posted: 14:35 - 19 Dec 2012 Post subject: |
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Well having been hit by a blind 80-something I know how dangerous they are. My dad is 67 which isn't that old, but his driving has deteriorated badly in recent years, he has bumps all the time, and cuts people up because he no longer respects road markings or checks mirrors, no awareness of what's around him, no forward planning, aggressive driving, tailgating, even throw in the occasional drink drive.
Something does need to be done about it, the only problem I have is that many people who get to 65 or 70 (whatever the age that retesting will be carried out at) will still be at a satisfactory standard, and they will have to pay out of their own pocket just to prove that; it's bureaucracy really and I don't like that. I'd be much happier if you only had to pay if you failed the test. |
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| Posted: 14:45 - 19 Dec 2012 Post subject: |
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Think of a 15 minute minimum competency check every 5 years versus keeping a car that costs ~£350+ a year just to keep road legal.
Cost is not an issue.
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| Posted: 15:51 - 19 Dec 2012 Post subject: |
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| oldenuff wrote: | | Shinigami wrote: | agreed there should be retests for the elderly, this is absolutely shocking, he'd likely have just got up and carried on if she hadn't parked ON him |
Why is there an assumption that elderly people are high-risk drivers? I would bet my car and bike insurance premium against a younger person's that it is not the view of the insurers. I admit that some are over-cautious but, in general, they are well-behaved and no risk to anyone. |
The assumption in my case is based purely on my own experience, which may well be statistically 'odd' compared to country-wide, hence why insurance premiums for the elderly are less than the young. I'm not saying that they ARE the most dangerous, just that in my experience on the roads, I've had more near misses with them than any other 'group' of driver.
The different age ranges probably all balance out in terms of amount of accidents caused, but for varying reasons - for youngsters it might be lack of ability, middle age might be drink-driving, elderly might be poor eyesight. My point would be though, there are actions put in place to stop young drivers causing so many accidents such as curfews, mileage limitations and pass plus schemes. There are also road stops/police checks for drink drivers. They are now bringing in more accurate drug testing at the roadside. But a check for whether you're just too goddam old, dithering and blind to be on the road? Non-existent.
RE point about getting to work once old - Well, you get your free bus pass  My mum couldn't wait to get hers. No kidding. It was like her most prized 60th birthday gift. I'm so glad she never learned to drive, she would be awful.
Actually, my parents illustrate very well the difference there can be between two 60-odd year olds. My dad drives, sharp as a pin, not a single sign of dementia. My mum however, definitely not someone you would want to get in a car with. Thankfully, she never did learn to drive, but if she had, I'd be getting to the point now of begging her to stop.
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