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Fifteen15
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 20 Dec 2012    Post subject: Filtering in bike lane Reply with quote

Would you filter in this bike lane below? It's quite hard to see, but coming from the top left corner of the picture and heading diagonally down. I often get stuck at the back of the queue instead of filtering down the bike lane. To me it looks safe to do it, but I think I read recently on here that strictly it's illegal.

https://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2903/bikelanefilter.png

Edit: This street view shows it better (thanks barrkel)
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 20 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use bus/bicycle lanes all the time when there is traffic, I have never had a problem and I've gone past several police cars that are sitting in the traffic.

I don't use the thin bicycle only lanes however.

If I ever get pulled over, I would state that my taxation class is bicycle, there for it was to my understanding that I could go on a bus/bicycle lane.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 20 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see it.

Is it between the queuing cars?
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 20 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Filtering in bike lane Reply with quote

Fifteen15 wrote:
Would you filter in this bike lane below? It's quite hard to see, but coming from the top left corner of the picture and heading diagonally down. I often get stuck at the back of the queue instead of filtering down the bike lane. To me it looks safe to do it, but I think I read recently on here that strictly it's illegal.

https://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2903/bikelanefilter.png


I would if I was on a bicycle but not in a car or on a motorbike.

When you see to sign for Bicycles on the lane it means no cars, motorbikes etc.

You could end up with the hassle of a tug and producer and the interruption to your journey.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 20 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Filtering in bike lane Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
When you see to sign for Bicycles on the lane it means no cars, motorbikes etc.


If it has a solid white line, then you can't go into it. But I don't think you are can get done if it has a dashed white line, and those central lanes usually have dashed lines.

Of course going into the advanced stop zone is technically running the red light, but prosecutions are rare - according to Met on the BikeSafe day I did, they are not aware of a single prosecution of a biker doing that in the whole of London, ever. And if you use that lane, you may be forced to go into the advanced stop zone so that bicycles can also get through. Though some boroughs have advanced stop zones explicitly marked for motorcycles too!

Me? If I was in London and I saw a lane like that, damn straight I'd use it. Out for a bimble and crossing through some town? Probably wouldn't bother unless the traffic is very dense and I'm getting held up.

PS: but having looked at the streetview for it I would strongly prefer the offside of the right lane, right in the middle of the road, unless I was going to turn left.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 20 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a bicycle lane has broken white lines then you may ride in it. You shouldn't, but you may.

If it has a solid white line then bicycles only.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 20 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

are the lines broken?

edit: damn beaten to it!
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 20 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see a bicycle lane.

Use the chevroned area bordered by dashed lines, but be prepared to have a discussion about The Traffic Signs, Regulations and General Direction 2002, and what is and isn't an offence.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 20 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reed wrote:


If I ever get pulled over, I would state that my taxation class is bicycle, there for it was to my understanding that I could go on a bus/bicycle lane.


Been tried before by the awesomeness that was Svengalie I'm afraid. Though maybe still worth a shot - might get away with a ticking off instead of a ticket?

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PostPosted: 19:20 - 20 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Presume it's between lanes - I'd use it, personally. No solid white lines.
More question if you either block the lane (morally-wise), or go to the cycle bit infront of the cars (legally-wise).
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 20 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Highway Code (rule 130) says:

Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.

If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.

Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5, 9, 10 & 16, MT(S)R regs 4, 8, 9 & 14, RTA sect 36 & TSRGD 10(1)


Bold stuff is emphasised by me. So if you get stopped, you'll have to argue that it was 'necessary' for you to be filtering, provided the safety aspect was all fine. That's where they grey area is. In reality, unless you're filtering like a div then no one is likely to say anything about it.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 20 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

5150 wrote:
If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so


The actual legislation uses the phrasing "should not enter unless it is seen by the driver to be safe to do so" - no mention of necessity.

Has anyone ever been stopped for riding in chevron area with broken white lines?

I mean, no-one in their right mind would do it deliberately without some tradeoff of necessity, because there's so much crap in there, particularly on higher-speed roads rather than cities, where they are entered more often. And that's the only reason I'd ever avoid such areas, not concerns from the law.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 20 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Filtering in bike lane Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
Walloper wrote:
When you see to sign for Bicycles on the lane it means no cars, motorbikes etc.


If it has a solid white line, then you can't go into it. But I don't think you are can get done if it has a dashed white line, and those central lanes usually have dashed lines.

Of course going into the advanced stop zone is technically running the red light, but prosecutions are rare - according to Met on the BikeSafe day I did, they are not aware of a single prosecution of a biker doing that in the whole of London, ever. And if you use that lane, you may be forced to go into the advanced stop zone so that bicycles can also get through. Though some boroughs have advanced stop zones explicitly marked for motorcycles too!

Me? If I was in London and I saw a lane like that, damn straight I'd use it. Out for a bimble and crossing through some town? Probably wouldn't bother unless the traffic is very dense and I'm getting held up.

PS: but having looked at the streetview for it I would strongly prefer the offside of the right lane, right in the middle of the road, unless I was going to turn left.


I deliberately omitted the broken white line stuff as it is rather open to debate.
I don't use bike lanes purely to prevent the polis opening a can of whup-ass on me (if they chose to have a go).

I think if it is clear then why not. But with respect that if you hit a cyclist you will have your bike shoved up your erse by the courts. As the lane is there to afford 'protection' from other traffic for cyclist.

There are loads in the Hull area on roads where I think I have seen a bicycle using the lanes twice in five years.

If I'm on the peddle bike I use the lanes. You can whoosh through traffic on a bicycle using lanes.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 21 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
5150 wrote:
If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so


The actual legislation uses the phrasing "should not enter unless it is seen by the driver to be safe to do so" - no mention of necessity.

Has anyone ever been stopped for riding in chevron area with broken white lines?

I mean, no-one in their right mind would do it deliberately without some tradeoff of necessity, because there's so much crap in there, particularly on higher-speed roads rather than cities, where they are entered more often. And that's the only reason I'd ever avoid such areas, not concerns from the law.


Agreed. But it's interesting that they say different things. I suppose the highway code is worded in such a way that it'll make people more reluctant to stray out of the regular lane.
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