How can we stop bike thefts?

[kawashima]

Having read a lot of bike theft threads, what is the good method to stop bike theft?
Bike theft : 20 years in jail and 10ｋ penalty charge.
police must investigate bike theft(by some rule).
Ban buying and selling bike parts without certificate of bike ownership.
Ban buying and selling bikes without certificate of bike ownership.
Ban exporting used bike parts.
Ebay strict screening before registration.
Anyone who found bike theft can beat them without punishment and awarded.
Making bike parts traceable with embedded something(I read this idea somewhere).
Rented house owner must install secure bike garage to every rented house.
Bike makers must give owner the same new bike free if the bike was stolen with cheap insurance.
Bike makers must prevent bike thefts too.
Country hire parked bike watch dogs with machine guns.

Is there any good ideas?
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[Seigi]

Become a communist state so nobody actually owns anything.

[covent.gardens]

Get to the heart of the problem. We have hundreds of prisons around the country and most don't hold that many prisoners. It's very expensive.

I'd sell off almost all of them, many are in good locations and would fetch obscene money. To replace them I'd build superprisons on cheap land in the middle of nowhere, the end result being capacity and efficiency rises significantly and costs plummet. Everything would be to the bare minimum standard we could get away with.

Now there's enough space to put bike thieves as well as all the other scum of society where they belong, and they won't treat it like a holiday.

As long as the punishment is weak, people will commit the crime. Even if the punishment is strong some will commit the crime but at least then we can give the victim some real justice.

The only reason liberals can claim prison doesn't work is because they've been allowed to fuck it all up by making it too soft.

[kawashima]

[Paulington]

Where's all the time going to come from?

The Police in the UK are so incredibly stretched most people have no idea, we don't have time to investigate every bike theft like you see on CSI/NCIS etc, there just aren't enough Officers and not enough time. Just make sure any tools/etc the thieves may have left behind are fingerprinted and the Police take all the details, which they will do and see if anything similar has happened around you.

Stopping bike theft starts with you, security measures! Regardless of whether or not you have a garage, get a proper ground anchor installed, i.e. dig a hole and fill with anchor + concrete. Use something like an Almax chain, not some cheap one made of cheese.

Make sure your bike is alarmed and not just an Almax chain on it, garage it and put a disc lock or two on it. Get some security cameras too.

Most importantly, if your bike is important to you/valuable to you, GET A TRACKER. They are such a fantastic device and are worth their weight in gold.

You can even bodge trackers now, buy a cheap iPhone 3GS or something off eBay for £50, put the cheapest SIM with data you can find in it and wire it into your bike's wiring loom so it charges when the bike is running and is always turnt on, that way should your bike be nicked, you can just hop on "Find My IPhone" and see exactly where it is, a few people have started doing this.

You can put wall after wall of defenses up so that most criminals won't even bother and those that do are likely highly organized and will have gotten your bike absolutely no matter what.

For example, if a thief wanted my GSX-R, they'd have to get past a set of ten foot gates which are locked with an Almax-style chain, dodge a full security camera setup that works in IR too and covers every inch of the house (will catch their face if it's visible, guaranteed). Once they get to the garage, they'll have to move the Mitsubishi car that's backed up right against it, once they've done that, two huge locks on the door which are angle-grinder resistant and can't be cropped. Even if they get through that, the alarm goes off. If they somehow disarm that, then the bike is anchored to the ground using an Almax-style chain, disc locked and another chain goes through the rear wheel + chain, plus it's alarmed so that goes off.

IF they do all that, then they can have the bloody bike!

Instead of asking what the Police can do, ask yourself what you can do. Spend some cash on security and preventative measures and the chances of your bike being stolen really plummet. Don't ask for more regulation, just make it hard, hard, hard. Eventually when the Police budgets increase again, we'll be able to investigate it more.

Also, I don't think it's about the punishment being weak. Remember, most bike thieves don't get caught as evidence isn't there and the bike just disappears to get parted out/joyrided, plus bikes are very easy to steal a lot of the time. If people started putting proper security on their bikes as best they can, bike crime would likely reduce.

The punishment for bike theft is actually pretty severe, you're talking six months to two years plus under the Theft Act, but the whole idea of deterrents is complete bollocks. In a lot of places the penalty for murder is death, but people still commit the crime. If the penalty for bike theft was death, people would still take bikes. Deterrents don't work, pre-emptive action does.
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[Seigi]

A lot of the time the issue don't lie in "Punish punish punish!" but find what's causing them to steal - Maybe they can't afford to live, maybe their job doesn't pay enough, maybe they don't even have a job.

From what I can tell most people steal because they need money, to correct this either A. Create incentives to get a professional degree (thus increasing chances of getting high paid job) B. Increase minimum wage to a 'living-wage' standard, C. Create more jobs for the unemployed.

Of course there are the minority which steal for the thrill or because they 'want' something, but most people end up selling what they steal.

[fatpies]

See this:

https://www.liberation.fr/societe/2012/12/06/baumettes-un-tour-en-cellule_865551#s1

Prisons in south of France


UK prisons:

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7366582.stm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163904/Jailed-murderer-Lance-Rudge-boasts-cushy-life-bars-says-doesnt-want-leave.html

TBH I don't understand how that is punishment, Why isn't he forced to dig holes and fill them all day? Why does his cell have ANYTHING in it, his cell should be bare, save for a bed and thats it.
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[-LG-]

Think you'll find the Police do investigate it. Sometimes there is no evidence though.
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[guile]

Start voting for a Nationalist party instead of the LibLabCon puppets and then we could actually have a nice country in which to live.

[kawashima]

[DonDino]

[Joncrete Cungle]

Sadly it takes many motorcyclists (myself included) to have a bike stolen before really bothering with proper security. Once you have swallowed the theft, messing round with the dibble and insurance company. Stumping up the excess then doing battle again with the insurance company over their laughably low 'valuation'. Oh and then paying £ hundreds in increased premuims for the next 5 years.

Now I have less desirable bikes, keep them chained down in a locked and alarmed garage. When I go anywhere 16mm chain, proper padlock and a disc lock go in the tail pack. Chuck the bike cover over to keep prying eyes guessing. I see a lot of bikes many worth more than mine left with no security devices on them or no security device worth it's salt protecting it. Still they make nice easy targets for me to lock my bike up next to.

[kawashima]

[multijoy]

Theft of small bikes = ragging around a field - limited solutions apart from a damn good thrashing for anyone caught.

Big bikes - some way to make them impossible to shift; but this will inevitably impact on genuine sellers or breakers.
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