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Gave up about 4 years ago and only have the occasional one nowadays. But I do remember those early ones.
Early days was a crafty Gold Leaf when I was about 10, in the fields behind our street. A lad in my class, who lived up the road, had been smoking for a few years (!!) and tried to get the rest of us into it.
He wanted us to chip in for a packet of 10 and Players Gold Leaf were the cheapest back then. Iirc it was 34p for ten.
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But I didn't really start buying 'em regularly til I was 12 or 13. Used to nick money out of me mum's purse. 50p for ten B&H.
By the time I left school I was into Embassy No.1 - but it wasn't long til I had to switch to roll ups cos fags got so expensive. For the last few years I smoked Cutters Choice and it got so I was having one every 10 minutes or so!! Mad.
Never really felt any adverse effects though. Didn't cough in a morning or owt like that. But one thing that I did always have was cold feet!! And they been warm pretty all the time since I gave up. Weird. Must've been a circulation thing?
Anyway, glad I gave up - it was hard for a week or two but then it got loads easier, until I forgot about ;em altogether. It wasn't as hard as I thought it'd be.  ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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Myself and a mate couple doors down started because his older brothers were smokers.... lived near a big saw-mill which would dump loads of saw-dust with bits of "off-cuts" ..we would fill a couple of fertilizer bags with off-cuts and sell them for firewood up the street for a quid a bag...which was the price of 10 pack of John Player Blue and a box of matches ... then used to work in a chippy at weekends from 15 onwards so was never short of cash for fags ... which was probably a bad thing ... not sure how kids afford them these days  |
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When I was about 7, some kid at school reckoned he could nick fags from his Dad, without him noticing; I reckoned he couldn't, so when he did, I had to do something with them, so I did the obvious.
He kept nicking them and I kept smoking them, now, 40 years on, I can't seem to stop.
Having exhausted every other possibility, I'll be trying E cigs in the new year. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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I genuinely mean this, I cannot understand how anyone can smoke, be it cigarettes, marijuana or anything. The idea of inhaling toxic smoke for no reason is baffling. .
Personally I've never smoked, never had a lit cigarette on my lips. I occasionally use unlit ones for magic though. If someone smokes near me the smell makes me feel horrid, I just don't understand how people can do it. Not for me, never will be.
Also, everyone I've ever met that smokes tells me, after I tell them I have never smoked nor ever intend to smoke, that doing so is a very smart move and that they wish they never started.
Anyway, most importantly..
ANYONE who wants to give up, SPEAK TO YOUR GP. My parents gave up within eight weeks and have never touched or wanted to touch a cigarette ever since they gave up years and years ago. This was done by our GP prescribing them a drug called Zyban.
Zyban (bupropion) is an atypical antidepressant and an amazing smoking cessation aid, speak to your GP about getting it prescribed on the NHS if you are really wanting to give up, it makes the process so much easier.
If you haven't tried it, you haven't exhausted all possibilities. Giving up with Zyban is not only easier but you are much more likely to stay off them, statistically.
Go to your GP and ask for it, you'll have given up in no time. . ____________________ "Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul."
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What do you reckon my chances are of a successful law suit and subsequent payout?
Given his background and the fact that, at the age of 7, he was already well versed in the art of petty larceny, I suspect he's either serving at Her Maj's pleasure, or sunning himself on the Costa Del Crime. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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| Paulington wrote: | Zyban.
Go to your GP and ask for it, you'll have given up in no time.  . |
Jesus, you've only been back for 30 seconds and already you're talking shit again!
As a medical student (isn't that what you're claiming to be this week?) you should know that making sweeping generalisations like that are properly frowned upon.
In any case, there are serious question marks about Zyban and it's successor Champix, mostly surrounding their ability to induce depression so severe, suicide is real possibility; there is also some evidence to suggest there is a link between these drugs and the enhancement of underlying circulation/respiratory conditions, causing sudden death.
I went on a course of Champix (which is meant to be better than Zyban) and it did nothing for me, so the same result as hypnosis, acupuncture and various forms of NRT. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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My Dad used to smoke quite heavily, but quite about 10 years ago now. As wrong as it sounds I've always liked the smell of tobacco, an uncle of mine was into cigars and I'd try one occasionally.
Used to smoke cheap cigars (King Edwards) at parties. After I came back from Africa I was working for an aircraft cleaning company, and I tried a JPS Blue on a break at Lasham airfield, under the wing of a 727, not the best place by any means, coughed and spluttered for about an hour afterwards.
Smoked my first about this time of year on millennium bridge in London, which was rolled by a mate. I vividly remember going to a newsagents the next night and buying 10 B&H Silver, and smoking half of one in a nearby alley, nearly fainted and stumbled awkwardly back to the ped.
Since then I've gone through phases of different brands: JPS, Mayfair, B&H Gold, Sovereign, Embassy No1 for a period before I realised they tasted like shit. Been on Marlboro Red's for quite a while, before discovering they still make Rothmans!
Currently smoking Rothmans Gold Superkings, suppose it makes sense if I ride a Honda  ____________________ 1992 ZXR 400 |
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| Shaft wrote: | | Paulington wrote: | Zyban.
Go to your GP and ask for it, you'll have given up in no time.  . |
Jesus, you've only been back for 30 seconds and already you're talking shit again!
As a medical student (isn't that what you're claiming to be this week?) you should know that making sweeping generalisations like that are properly frowned upon.
In any case, there are serious question marks about Zyban and it's successor Champix, mostly surrounding their ability to induce depression so severe, suicide is real possibility; there is also some evidence to suggest there is a link between these drugs and the enhancement of underlying circulation/respiratory conditions, causing sudden death.
I went on a course of Champix (which is meant to be better than Zyban) and it did nothing for me, so the same result as hypnosis, acupuncture and various forms of NRT. |
Yeah, it's a generalization, but I am not going to go into intricacies on a forum? It's not worth it.
I meant by the post that if you are having trouble giving up and have tried most methods, go to your GP and ask to be prescribed it as a smoking cessation aid. If he deems that you can use it, for example you aren't taking any medications which could possibly interact, then it is worth trying as it has worked fantastically for quite a lot of people. I didn't mean for the post to come across as "Zyban is a panacea for smoking cessation" at all.
As for adverse effects and "serious question marks", sure there are side effects, as with all medications, such as increase seizure risk, nausea, etc. However, for the vast majority of side effects the problem is easily remedied by stopping the medication and any GP prescribing bupropion will have told the patient in question to watch out for any such symptoms and if they develop to stop taking them immediately, obviously only within the first week due to possible discontinuation syndrome, plus they'd spot the side effects at weekly checkups anyway, which I believe was a requirement when my parents used the medication.
Unfortunately, what you experienced means absolute zip, just like what my parents experienced, it means zip. What I do know is that on studies of Zyban, statistics show it works as an aid to smoking cessation and that when it comes to severe side effects, the vast majority of them aren't even statistically significant.
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My solution to the issue of "I have tried everything to give up and nothing has worked" is to try a medication proven to improve chances of giving up, as a VERY LAST RESORT. If you can give up in any other way, do so, but if you've tried everything you can think of and it hasn't worked, it's worth trying medication that's been shown to work if you want to give up that badly. This is why my parents used it.
Well, boast is strong, and wrong. If you read my posts I have only mentioned what medications I take in threads specifically about it, usually when asked. I take high doses of opiate painkillers because, well, I am in pain! You don't get the kind of painkillers I use without serious work from doctors, as above, it's a very last resort. My medication is properly managed and regulated and I take it because I have to, not because I want to. If I could not take it, I would. In fact the doses I now take aren't even that high, relatively.
Plus, I also said "Inhaling something toxic for no reason". I take painkillers to allow me to live without pain, what does smoking achieve? Zip, nothing, nada. Plus, toxic is a bit far. If used to prescription oxycodones long-term side effects are incredibly small, definitely very far away from chronic smoking. Just know I wouldn't put it in my body if I didn't have to. ____________________ "Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul."
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I started smoking when I was 13 it was down to peer pressure (you didn't fit in if you didn't smoke).
Every available penny went on cigerettes even though money was scarce, yes I will admit it I nicked my mam and dad's ocassionally, my mam's were cheap because she didn't have much money eventually they killed her.
I stopped smoking when I got married, my husband wasn't a proper smoker he just used to have the odd one, moving into my new house made me realise how stinky they made a home smell. I had tried loads of times to quit but failed over and over again. In those days there were no nicerettes/smoking patches all we had was good old will power.
One my last attempt to stop smoking I threw away 18 cigerettes and vowed to never smoke again, my husband said you will never succeed - challange? well I did it and stopped smoking at 20, all I've ever smoked since was 4 draws on a splif, just because.
If I think about the money I would have spent and most importantly the health implecations of continuining to smoke to today well a few days of withdrawel was well worth it, and thats all it took remember I did smoke 15 a day when I was working and could afford to do so.
Irony - when I was at my mum funeral after passing from throat cancer my brother asked me if I wanted a cigerette to help me 'feel better' after the funeral, if your a smoker you will know what I mean - a cigerette is like a dummy, it serves as a soother for any manner of problem solvers/calmers.
Good luck if you try and do give up. Cutting down don't work usually don't wait until New Year as a resolution do it now then that means you are really serious and you will have better successful  |
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My first cig was when I was about ten from peer pressure (but very willing). My mate nicked 3 fags from his mum and we snuck behind this rusty caravan in a car park to smoke 'em
I only actually started about 2 years ago (I'm 20 now). I kept social smoking and when I was suffering from depression back then, my cravings for tobacco went through the roof (lol)
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I meant by the post that if you are having trouble giving up and have tried most methods, go to your GP and ask to be prescribed it as a smoking cessation aid. If he deems that you can use it, for example you aren't taking any medications which could possibly interact, then it is worth trying as it has worked fantastically for quite a lot of people. I didn't mean for the post to come across as "Zyban is a panacea for smoking cessation" at all. |
Probably should have worded it that way then., as if you read your post you seem to suggest that you should go and look at it as a primary option. Thi applies to your next para too.
| Paulington wrote: | DOG:
My solution to the issue of "I have tried everything to give up and nothing has worked" is to try a medication proven to improve chances of giving up, as a VERY LAST RESORT. If you can give up in any other way, do so, but if you've tried everything you can think of and it hasn't worked, it's worth trying medication that's been shown to work if you want to give up that badly. This is why my parents used it.
Well, boast is strong, and wrong. If you read my posts I have only mentioned what medications I take in threads specifically about it, usually when asked. I take high doses of opiate painkillers because, well, I am in pain! You don't get the kind of painkillers I use without serious work from doctors, as above, it's a very last resort. My medication is properly managed and regulated and I take it because I have to, not because I want to. If I could not take it, I would. In fact the doses I now take aren't even that high, relatively. |
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| Paulington wrote: | Plus, I also said "Inhaling something toxic for no reason". I take painkillers to allow me to live without pain, what does smoking achieve? Zip, nothing, nada. Plus, toxic is a bit far. If used to prescription oxycodones long-term side effects are incredibly small, definitely very far away from chronic smoking. Just know I wouldn't put it in my body if I didn't have to. |
The mental perception of the smoker is that they do need it, just as your mental perception is that you are in pain. Now, one is real, the other is a construct, but they are equivalent in the mind of the individual. The smoker believes they need it, which is why stopping smoking is so easy, all you need to do is break that belief.
You should try and develop your empathy a bit - might help with your future patient care. |
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