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EazyDuz
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Anyone into RC planes? Reply with quote

I bought one ages ago but ended up selling it before i even flew it, but i want to get one.
Can anyone recommend a good starter electric plane, if there is anyone here that is into it?
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why electric?


I hope they have come on since I was plaguing my local flying site with my WOT4 mk3... Definatley IC powered.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a "trainer" RC plane, runs on 5% Nitro stuff, never flown it Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 27 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one I have in the garage is a Gangster 63, It was a quick mover with it's Russian MDS58 and I don't think I will ever throw it out, at this rate I will never restore it to flying condition either Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been flying for ages but not at all lately. If not go and join your local club. Go for ic power if you can. Any trainer will do, it's a trainer and boring to fly! Laughing

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PostPosted: 00:17 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fly electric fixed wing and I'm an old oil head, loved and understood the glow & diesel engines. In fact I still run my old diesels just for fun in the test stand.
BUT flying is now all electric. Same size aircraft as before but MORE power and less weight (battery tech has moved on a LOT). For trouble free flying I would defo recommend E power.
In the world of top end RC helis E power has a MUCH higher power to weight ratio when compared to the best if the IC.
As for a first plane something like this https://www.sussex-model-centre.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=39108 should do well.

Sorry wrong link originally posted, new corrected link should take you to the Firebird Stratos RTF
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PostPosted: 04:22 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a ducted fan RC plane, crashed it a while ago though and still haven't glued the nose back on. It's missing a few pieces so when I do glue it back in it's going to have a massive hole...not sure what to do about that.

I just fly it around our valley. Nobody around to give a shit and I've got some great aerial footage...or I did until I accidentally deleted them in a massive cleanup of my documents folder Evil or Very Mad

For a good starter electric plane get an Easystar, good basic plane, and you can mount a gopro on it for some awesome aerial footage. I started with the ducted fan one...it's not the best type to start with.
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for a first plane something like this https://www.sussex-model-centre.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=39108 should do well.

Sorry wrong link originally posted, new corrected link should take you to the Firebird Stratos RTF
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Combat gliders are worth a shot, made from EPP and is good at crashing so it can be flown time and time again

https://www.freewebs.com/sasepp/

But only good if you have a steep embankment hill to fly them off at
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

For flat field power this little plane flies well and it's pretty easy to fly and build.
https://www.flyingwings.co.uk/store/product_info.php?products_id=898

Also worth looking here;-
https://www.modelflying.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=12661
for info
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The electric ducted fan planes are probably your best option, cheap and easy to fix. You can also hand launch them and you don't have to be concerned about being hit with a 20,000rpm propeller. Straight wings on a trainer/crop sprayer type plane will probably perform best at the sort of speed's we're talking about here. Delta wings are great if you're going to be flying at transonic speeds, but I'd doubt you are Thumbs Up

Oh and be careful with the LiPo batteries, store and charge them somewhere you would be perfectly comfortable with them catching fire and/or exploding.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevew wrote:

In the world of top end RC helis E power has a MUCH higher power to weight ratio when compared to the best if the I've

Wow, not saying I disbelieve you but that's amazing! Doesn't the weight of the batteries ruin things?
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got an Art Tech Alpha Jet 64 EDF,probably smash it to bits on the first flight,me old man flys them swell.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My dad got me one for my 16th birthday, a proper nitro fibreglass kit. Think he spent a good few hundred on it at the time. He'd already built it up and tested it running etc, but when we went out to fly it, (it was one of them you had to throw to get flight) it kinda looped straight away and smashed to shit on the road.

Gutted.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a kit that I bought when I was about 14 called an 'Aerojet 540'.

Me and a mate were concerned that its performance might be a bit pants being we were planning to power it with a standard 40 turn Tamiya 540 motor and a 1700mAh Nicad. So, I took a small two bladed propeller off of one of those toys that you twirl between your hands to take off and attached it crudely to the 540 motor. I took the two wires from the motor and jammed them into the terminals on the battery. The motor span up with virtually no load and produced what can only be described as a small wind storm in my mates living room. The propeller then became detached from the motor and flew off at a high rate of speed. We noticed on the plasterboard wall a small chunk was missing where the prop had hit it.

So we decided the performance of the plane might be a bit much, especially as we only had a two channel radio set and could only fit elevator and aileron controls, with no throttle. We were planning to fly it on full power constantly, but this was impractical.

So, the kit stayed in my parents loft until a couple of years back when I dug it out. I've still not been brave enough to build it, because as I found out later a hairy lightweight low wing monoplane is probably not the best kit to practise with.

However, as Bendy pointed out to me only today, it is better to have it embedded in a tree somewhere than gathering dust in a cupboard.

https://www.model-plans.co.uk/galaxy/galaxy%20aerojet%20540.gif

Found someone who has the same model. It was about £30 at the time without radio or motor so was pretty cheap. I'm not surprised it was popular, and I'm also not surprised that people didn't build them until they were more experienced at model flying!

https://www.rcmf.co.uk/4um/index.php?topic=39477.0

https://www.worley.me.uk/aeromodelling/electricaerojet.htm

And here's an onboard video seemingly taken by a model aircraft club a few miles from where I work!

https://www.fdmac.org/index.php?option=com_ttvideo&view=video&cid=35fdmac-2011&id=8:galaxy-models-aerojet-540-at-fdmac-&Itemid=55
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PostPosted: 04:50 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

have several RC planes in the garage. i learnt on a seagul " arising star" with the std .46 motor....still fun to fly even on gusty 30mph plus windy days! I bought one of those usb cables that you can plug into your pc via your transmitter and learnt that way mostly. I had a friend who was willing to buddy me for the first hour and that was it...solo flying. Dont think all trainers are slow and boring! I reacon ive hit near 100mph on silly windy days down wind....even been able to get the damn thing to fly backwards at idle facing the wind...tricky but fun! they do elec conversions for the same boomerang and arising star kits and they fly well and are at the lower end of the ARTF trainer budget. Now have a spot on 50 with a .70 4t motor....a .60 mustang and a bloody huge 3 double D that has a whopping 1.8cuI 2t moki motor......when i find a way to start the bloody thing as my std elec starter cant turn it over and when i tried my cordless drill it started but each time it fires it snaps the chuck screw off the drill!!!!!! seems most people hand start them by flicking the motor backwards Shocked Shocked Shocked the idea of even trying to flick start a nitro motor that size swinging a filed 14" prop is just not on the cards for me thank you !!! did take 2 friends to hold the bugger down in the garage when i did get it running tho!

from what i learnt re training is find a club or a friend willing to help teach you and get a 50" or so wingspan 4 channel trainner and cram some hours in on the flight sim. i find little foam cheaper craft to be much harder to fly with any real control, not to say they aint fun tho Very Happy Very Happy


something like this

https://www.kingslynnmodelshop.co.uk/p3329/SEAGULL_Boomerang_Trainer_V2_.40-.45_or_Electric/product_info.html



The main benefit of going that route is that you can use your radio gear etc on your next model...so your upgrade will cost you £60+ and you'll have a proper 6 channel radio you can use in later planes and helis etc that will let you channel mix, adjust servo rates and all the good stuff you might want later! Get a few flights on a local clubs trainer first and see if its for you first tho!
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most fun plane I had was also the slowest, a Dave Smith models Panther with a basic but good OS 46LA.
On anything over a slight breeze it could be hovered/reversed and would loop in it's own length once i got the ailerons mixed with the elevators.

https://images.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/40333/41869_20111.jpg

Best Pic I can find, mine was Flouro green with Flouro orange controls on top, reversed underneath with black/white 3" sections on the wing leading edge (at the site I used you couldn't always fly close in).
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
However, as Bendy pointed out to me only today, it is better to have it embedded in a tree somewhere than gathering dust in a cupboard.


Bendy is most excellent Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordShaftesbury wrote:
stevew wrote:

In the world of top end RC helis E power has a MUCH higher power to weight ratio when compared to the best if the I've

Wow, not saying I disbelieve you but that's amazing! Doesn't the weight of the batteries ruin things?


I'd hazard a guess that you can extract more power for a given weight setup in a short period of time from a Lipo battery than you can from a petrol motor. You can get 5A 65C (constant) 130 C (burst) batteries, where C is the multiplier of current from the battery IIRC. So that would translate to about 325A sustained current output at 37V, about 12kW, from a 1.5kg battery.
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:


I'd hazard a guess that you can extract more power for a given weight setup in a short period of time from a Lipo battery than you can from a petrol motor. You can get 5A 65C (constant) 130 C (burst) batteries, where C is the multiplier of current from the battery IIRC. So that would translate to about 325A sustained current output at 37V, about 12kW, from a 1.5kg battery.


Yeah, that about sums it up. I'm not a particularly knowledgeable one when it comes to electricity but i know when I'm watching those top end 3D helis that I'm seeing more radical and power sapping maneuvers now than I ever did when all we had was 15cc IC engines. Mind you flight times are in the region of only 4 mins.
Never the less I do miss the exhaust smoke trail !
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me and my dad took this up, passed our license and joined a club. Absolute great fun. At present I've got an arising star and a spitfire that's still in the box. Arising star was crashed because I had an issue mid flight with 1 of the Aileron servos spazzing mid flight so I crashed and burned. Since then I deployed with the RN so I haven't repaired it and nor did I renew my membership with our local club. Great fun though and a real enjoyable hobby.

Never used electric, Only ever had nitro powered. EDF jets are pretty quick so can be difficult to learn with IMO.
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PostPosted: 01:10 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess i should start with something very cheap, like a Parkzone Cub or something, and work up from there? Nitro planes look awesome
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PostPosted: 01:13 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you go nitro though you have to lass a test and get insurance which is something silly like £15 a year. You can't just take them down the field and play with it. I'm sure that's right but someone might come along and clarify for me.
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