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PostPosted: 16:23 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Mod 1....2nd go Reply with quote

got my mod 1 next week and am nervous about the hazard avoidance i failed on this last time.

Any advice would be appreciated Smile
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Head-up, look where you want to be, not at the cones. Do not touch the brakes until you are back on the straight... It is not an emergency stop!
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Cimbian thats where i went wrong looking at the cones Embarassed. Is it a fail if you don't reach required speed or would this be a minor?
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fem1 wrote:
Thanks Cimbian thats where i went wrong looking at the cones Embarassed. Is it a fail if you don't reach required speed or would this be a minor?


If it's within a few kph you get a minor. ..anything more and its a fail I believe.(but you do get a 2nd attempt if to slow 1st time)

The best advice I can give is...dont come off the throttle till youve past the speed trap...as soon as you're through come totally off the throttle and then concentrate on the swerve. Dont come off the throttle too soon and dont think about braking till you've straightened up after...if you brakd while swerving youll probably fail.

Best of luck and relax.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fem1 wrote:
Thanks Cimbian thats where i went wrong looking at the cones Embarassed. Is it a fail if you don't reach required speed or would this be a minor?


It will be a minor and you get 2 attempts on each manoeuvre to get to speed, do it twice and it's a fail. I got 1 minor for only reaching 46kph on the first E-stop but managed to reach speed on my other runs no problem.

And remember, look where you want the bike to go, the gap between the cones, and not at the cones themselves. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

so when i go through speed trap and need to do the hazard avoidance what do you suggest....i know not to look at the cones but i have to make the swerve.

I may just be over thinking but this is the one that i hate grrrrrrrr
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I failed end of November and this is the only slot that i could get....I suppose after 19th January there will be loads of slots for mod 1 and 2 to choose from.

Not that i am going to fail.....I will not fail....I will not fail Smile
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fem1 wrote:
so when i go through speed trap and need to do the hazard avoidance what do you suggest....i know not to look at the cones but i have to make the swerve.

I may just be over thinking but this is the one that i hate grrrrrrrr


I could explain it (badly) on my own but here's Youtube vid to help you out Very Happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRuDRbmyk4g

Basically just pin the throttle in 2nd coming out of the turn and don't look at the speedo whatever you do as it will only distract you and doesn't make you go any faster.
On the swerve as you are on the straight approaching the speed trap move over to side away from the obstacle, so you are pointing through the trap at an angle towards the gap in the cones. It will help minimize the amount of swerving you have to do and lets you keep the speed up for longer.

That is how I was taught to do it any way. It worked for me Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said, twist the crap out of the throttle in 2nd as you some out of the bend, hold it there until you pass the speed trap.

Snap the throttle closed and look ahead between the cones keeping your head-up. Once on the line look where you want to be and before you know it you will be through and going back to the original line and just lay off the brakes. You do not have to stop quickly, just under control.

Picture it as a cager nudging out of a side-road, you avoid, get straight, stop and give them a mouthful! Wink
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thing is the examiner asked why had i gone so fast
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tip for the hazard avoidance is look at the cone on the LEFT, not the one on the right.

Worked wonders for me!

Sort of brings your positioning over that bit more so your safe from hitting it, look where you want to go and all that mallarchy, give it a try Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
Tip for the hazard avoidance is look at the cone on the LEFT, not the one on the right.

Worked wonders for me!



That could be either cone depending if youre doing the clockwise or anticlockwise run. Wink
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fem1 wrote:
Thing is the examiner asked why had i gone so fast


Tip....dont go so fast next time Wink
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepuma wrote:
bikertomm wrote:
Tip for the hazard avoidance is look at the cone on the LEFT, not the one on the right.

Worked wonders for me!



That could be either cone depending if youre doing the clockwise or anticlockwise run. Wink


Bollocks.

Wondered if that would be the case.

OP, look at the cone furthest away, i.e if you're swerving Left look at the far left cone Thumbs Up

And vice versa!
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can get out to the test center before your test day, just watch people do theirs. If you can figure out when a training school have booked it for their DAS candidates, even better as you will see loads of Hazard Avoidance tests done. You'll be surprised how little a jink it actually is when you watch other people do it. There's nothing violent about this manoevre at all, just flow through it. If you're on a 500cc, stay in second at 20mph around the curve, then gun it when you're pointing at the trap, throttle off at the speed trap and swoop through the gap and back into line. I never looked at the cones at all on my training or (both) Mod 1's I took. Look at the space you want the bike to go through with two quick counter-steers and it'll be over and passed in no time.
BTW, slalom/figure 8 foot down got me on the first Mod 1.

Deep relaxing breaths before each manoevre got my Mod 1 passed second attempt. I was obsessing about the slalom/fig8 to the point that I thought I'd never be able to do it under exam conditions. I decided to relax my shoulders and grip on the bars, deep breath before each segment and nailed it with zero minors.
You will too. Good Luck! Smile
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might sound daft but get to 'know' what 50kph sounds like on the bike in 2nd gear, then you shouldn't have to give more than a quick glance at the speedo as you exit the bend. As others have said, look at where you want to go rather than at the cones. Keep the throttle on until you've cleared the speed trap, then roll off the throttle and do the swerve part. Once clear and straight get on the brakes (easy on the rear as you won't want to lock up!). Break it down into steps, up to speed for the trap, then off the throttle, swerve bit, straighten and brake nice and cleanly.

Best of luck gent. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice everyone Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 23:37 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dungbug wrote:


Best of luck lady. Thumbs Up


Minor correction.......It's been a long week.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Re: Mod 1....2nd go Reply with quote

Fem1 wrote:
got my mod 1 next week and am nervous about the hazard avoidance i failed on this last time.

Any advice would be appreciated Smile


Another thing that helps is to use your arse and your thighs to help with the swerve. Try it - alot of people just use the bars and the steering, but if you lean the bike into the swerve by wiggling your arse into, it the swerve is alot more crisp.

I hope that makes sense.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you been doing lessons? On my lessons I was told about conscious counter steering - just a little push to the left on the handlebars will make you go right, and a little push right - you guessed it, you go left. We did some on-road practice of this where we would pick a spot in the road (a letter on some painted STOP signs, or a manhole cover) and swerve around it using counter steering. It takes all of the 'effort' out of making the bike go where you want it to go, and helped me massively when I asked about practicing the swerve test and I was told 'you've been doing it all along!' Wink I was like "oh yeah, bloody hell, that's easy!'

So, when I id my Mod 1, I just hard (but not full) throttled it as soon as I came out of the bend, through the speed trap, let off the throttle, little push to the left, then little push on the right, nice clean stop and voila! Done! Coudn't believe how easy it actually was - don't let yourself get worked up about it, and ask about practicing counter steering on your lessons (if you have any left).
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Practice by avoiding those speed bump squares, that's what I did. I also drew up the course on some graph paper to a proper scale as the DSA site diagram is not to scale and makes everyhing look tighter.

I think the Estop is the trickier one. I had a slight lock up without even realising I had pressed the rear brake, but the examiner was decent and let me off with it because it was so slight.

Good luck Smile whatever happens at least its only ten minutes of stress.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
Have you been doing lessons? On my lessons I was told about conscious counter steering - just a little push to the left on the handlebars will make you go right, and a little push right - you guessed it, you go left.


Wrong way round. Counter steering creates lean, and requires gentle push forward to the left bar to steer left, and push to the right to turn right.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shush. Don't even think about "countersteering" on your mod 1. It's a distraction. The manoeuvres are trivial, you don't need to do anything except ride.

Go round the bend as fast as you can in 2nd gear, open the throttle wide as early as you can, hold it open until you're at the speed trap.

Don't look down, don't change to 3rd, don't back off. There, lots of things to not do. See how easy it is?
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 02 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, just thrash it Smile
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