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treeno
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PostPosted: 03:29 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: CG 125 Sprockets Reply with quote

Hey all! I need a new chain for my CG 125 as it is showing some wear in terms of tight in some places loose in others. So I thought I might as well replace the sprockets as well, they are probably worn too right?

Anyway, my mate is insisting I should go for a different number of teeth on the sprockets (can't remember which, maybe you can tell me). Reason being that it won't really do more than 60mph, maybe 65mph in no wind, on the flat. It gets there almost at the top of 4th, in the very low end of 5th. He is saying 5th is not being utilised so why not fit a sprocket that will give me the same top speed but using all the gears, that way it should give me more acceleration on the way to top speed.

Is this logic right? Is there any point? Will it harm the engine? Also, what configuration of sprockets would I need to achieve this?

I know you will probably say "Why bother, just wait to get a new bike." but if I am changing them anyway then it could be fun. Thanks!
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Re: CG 125 Sprockets Reply with quote

treeno wrote:
Hey all! I need a new chain for my CG 125 as it is showing some wear in terms of tight in some places loose in others. So I thought I might as well replace the sprockets as well, they are probably worn too right?

Anyway, my mate is insisting I should go for a different number of teeth on the sprockets (can't remember which, maybe you can tell me). Reason being that it won't really do more than 60mph, maybe 65mph in no wind, on the flat. It gets there almost at the top of 4th, in the very low end of 5th. He is saying 5th is not being utilised so why not fit a sprocket that will give me the same top speed but using all the gears, that way it should give me more acceleration on the way to top speed.

Is this logic right? Is there any point? Will it harm the engine? Also, what configuration of sprockets would I need to achieve this?

I know you will probably say "Why bother, just wait to get a new bike." but if I am changing them anyway then it could be fun. Thanks!


His theory is interesting but really you won't be much better off.
The gearing is set to match the engine horsepower. I think it's about 7.5. The designer sets the ratios which best suit the power range of the engine.
You may get faster acceleration with a smaller front cog on a standard rear. But you will lose all your top speed for minimal performance.

The CG125 is perfect the way it is. Your issue is you want it to perform like a 600. Smile

The secret of the CG125 is to learn the dark art of energy conservation. It's not the gearing that is your enemy it's the dammed brakes. DO NOT USE THEM. Smile
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want standard sprockets on there. a CG has an engine that works great with standard gearing, altering these will not make it faster. 60/65 is what you will get out of a sub 10HP 125.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
treeno wrote:
Hey all! I need a new chain for my CG 125 as it is showing some wear in terms of tight in some places loose in others. So I thought I might as well replace the sprockets as well, they are probably worn too right?

Anyway, my mate is insisting I should go for a different number of teeth on the sprockets (can't remember which, maybe you can tell me). Reason being that it won't really do more than 60mph, maybe 65mph in no wind, on the flat. It gets there almost at the top of 4th, in the very low end of 5th. He is saying 5th is not being utilised so why not fit a sprocket that will give me the same top speed but using all the gears, that way it should give me more acceleration on the way to top speed.

Is this logic right? Is there any point? Will it harm the engine? Also, what configuration of sprockets would I need to achieve this?

I know you will probably say "Why bother, just wait to get a new bike." but if I am changing them anyway then it could be fun. Thanks!


His theory is interesting but really you won't be much better off.
The gearing is set to match the engine horsepower. I think it's about 7.5. The designer sets the ratios which best suit the power range of the engine.
You may get faster acceleration with a smaller front cog on a standard rear. But you will lose all your top speed for minimal performance.

The CG125 is perfect the way it is. Your issue is you want it to perform like a 600. Smile

The secret of the CG125 is to learn the dark art of energy conservation. It's not the gearing that is your enemy it's the dammed brakes. DO NOT USE THEM. Smile


##Paddy## wrote:
You want standard sprockets on there. a CG has an engine that works great with standard gearing, altering these will not make it faster. 60/65 is what you will get out of a sub 10HP 125.


All I needed to know, thanks guys!
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a counterpoint, I lengthened the gearing on my CG-copy engined bike-in-a-box by a full 14% (15 - > 17 teeth on the front). While it added the sum total of sod all to the speed, it made the bike feel much more relaxed and unstressed - it's a popular mod on those particular machines.

This is not a recommendation, since the CG gearing (when you factor in the rear wheel size) will be different, but at £5 per front sprocket, you could have some cheap fun trying out different ratios and seeing what suits you best.

Another £10 buys you 1-up and 1-down, and then you can speak from experience, if somewhat adenoidally.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was my stupid suggestion...

3 up on rear, should see you using 5th gear!

Well, this is my understanding...

Whilst now, 5th gear is a bit pointless as you have to change down to keep above 60 mph, surely shortening the gears will allow you to pull slightly more in 5th allowing you to gain a few mph more top speed + increase acceleration at the same time.

Is my logic flawed?

Must say thought, the CG is hella fun to drive.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 up on rear would increase revs when cruising.
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
3 up on rear would increase revs when cruising.


Dat is true, but couldn't you then just cruse in a higher gear?

To my mind, and providing the CG makes max power output near the max RPM. If you can't reach the high revs in 5th gear on long straight then that's wasted potential of the bike, and seeing as the cost is in-different to experiment, then why not?
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no power in the high revs of 5th gear on a CG.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why? How do you know?


Maybe then Rogers suggestion of increasing the gearing to make for a better drive and get more use of 4th is the way to go.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scootaloo wrote:
Why? How do you know?


Because they use the same engine in the 4 speed.

The bike will not be capable of exceeding 65mph. It will struggle at that as a genuine speed.

That is why. It will slow it down.

My TTR was 16/41 sprockets. Could sit at around 105mph.

I added 6 teeth, it did 80. It also revved too high.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mate put on wrong sprockets on his CG and now it's retarded, it can do 60+ in 4th but going into 5th just loses speed

His brakes are shit too and he's lost his engine braking on top of that Razz

Haynes doesn't say number of teeth on rear and front by default, is dumb. Anyone know?
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CG I ride doesn't suffer from lack of power in top. It does feel the wind and it knows when you stick your head up into the breeze. But it holds 60 no problem.
The issue is not the gearing or engine power per say. It's just that the engine has reach the limit of puff at around 60mph. And 70 is only a dream. Smile

A better bet is a bigger engine.

I think this thread is due the Power Band discussion now.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That is why. It will slow it down.

My TTR was 16/41 sprockets. Could sit at around 105mph.

I added 6 teeth, it did 80. It also revved too high.



I'm not thinking of exceeding 65, more just holding 65 better.

And when your TTR was at 105 mph, was it near/on the peak power output?
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