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PostPosted: 20:18 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: £45 admin charges to change my insured address! Reply with quote

Seems a little unreasonable to me - what do you think?
I told the insurers a couple of days ago about my move and was told the 'extra premium' would be a total of £46:56 or so.
It transpires, having viewed the new documents that there's only £3 difference in yearly premium from new and old address - and the 'extra premium' I've had to pay actually refers to a £25 broker fee and the underwriters at £20 in addition (or vice versa)...
According to the original phone conversation the additional fee represented the different risk attached to new area, no mention of the admin fees they've actually charged me for...
When I rang back to query I was told that this was something to do with 'comparion sites', not too sure how they've bumped admin costs up to £45 a time. Unimpressed as the same firm used to alter my details for free.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's normal.
It stinks, but it's normal.

I wonder if the financial ombudsman should know...?
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
It's normal.
It stinks, but it's normal.

I wonder if the financial ombudsman should know...?


What bugged me more was that they told me this was simply a 'premium increase' rather than being honest about what the charges were...The price of being honest...
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just changed mine and also 45 quid charge. Fortunately the area I have moved to is better and now garage so they had to give me 20 quid back even taking into account admin fee! For some reason car insurance went up though Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i also hate these charges however, if you do not like it, do not insure with that company ??
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteLockwood wrote:
i also hate these charges however, if you do not like it, do not insure with that company ??


Agree, however I've been a customer 5 years with them and they've never pulled these charges on me before so was just a little miffed that they now do...I might shop around when renewal time comes in April depending on how competitive their quote is - with which its always come out on top before.
If they'd have been more honest about what the 'extra premium' was actually for I'd have been more impressed...
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheeseybeaner wrote:
PeteLockwood wrote:
i also hate these charges however, if you do not like it, do not insure with that company ??


Agree, however I've been a customer 5 years with them and they've never pulled these charges on me before so was just a little miffed that they now do...I might shop around when renewal time comes in April depending on how competitive their quote is - with which its always come out on top before.
If they'd have been more honest about what the 'extra premium' was actually for I'd have been more impressed...


yeah good hit them where it hurts, they will not want to lose a loyal customer but if that is the result of their greed, fuck them
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Admin fees'.. That's tantamount to a dirty word round here.. Sad

Swinton recently charged me £25 to add a motorcycle onto my multibike policy 'at no extra charge' Confused

That must've been almost 50p a key press on the keyboard. Shocked
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCE charged me £50 admin fee to change my addres!!! I was thinking I'd get £50 back (had 5 months left on policy) but no Rolling Eyes

At renewal time, they wanted £310. Carole Nash wanted £125! Bye bye MCE Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You didn't read your T&Cs and chose an insurer based on low premium (or what they used to do). They may all be as bad as each other, but that's only because we're so bloody lazy.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You didn't read your T&Cs and chose an insurer based on low premium (or what they used to do). They may all be as bad as each other, but that's only because we're so bloody lazy.


Maybe you're right but I assumed they were trustworthy and appreciative of their customers based on 5 years of previous dealings with them! I guess they've changed...Will look a little closer at the hidden costs if I switch come April.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 04 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
They may all be as bad as each other, but that's only because we're so bloody lazy.


Hard not to be with a 'multibike'. I've yet to come across a comparison site that has the facility to enter three bikes at once. Sad

All changes to my policy have to be done manually. Which means no monkeying with my policy outside of Avivas office hours. Something I found out fairly recently having just bought a bike off someone on a Saturday 50 miles from home. Shocked
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 05 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Similar thing with me, when I rang Hastings to change my license from provisional to full, the premium went up by £3 and the admin fee was £34... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 05 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteLockwood wrote:
i also hate these charges however, if you do not like it, do not insure with that company ??

Name a company that doesn't do this.
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 05 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Call insurance to update license:

Insurance person enters details for computer to generate new costs

Insurance person says XXXX amount more/less + admin fee

So they've entered the information for free to tell you the costs of that, then tell you they are going to charge you XX amount in admin fees to click "save".

Personally I still think these charges are a legal scam but then the entire insurance business is a legal scam anyway fully endorsed by the UK "big wigs".
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 05 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

U_W v2.0 wrote:
Call insurance to update license:

Insurance person enters details for computer to generate new costs

Insurance person says XXXX amount more/less + admin fee

So they've entered the information for free to tell you the costs of that, then tell you they are going to charge you XX amount in admin fees to click "save".

Personally I still think these charges are a legal scam but then the entire insurance business is a legal scam anyway fully endorsed by the UK "big wigs".


rubbish, it is not a scam, maybe some would consider it immoral, but you do NOT have to insure with a company that charges for amendments, i absolutely guarantee there is a few company's that do not charge, choose them instead ?
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 05 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteLockwood wrote:
i also hate these charges however, if you do not like it, do not insure with that company ??


It's not just that simple.

If you have insurance cover with them then your policy will be voided unless you pay this 'ransom'.

The banks were hammered for the running a similer racket. (Though they promised to hump it onto everyone's bank charges which the bastarts have done so now get even moar off of everyone.)

Insureres are at it with this. It is a bit of paper (or rather a byte of info). It possible takes some wee lassie two minutes to punch the detail into the computer and it's done. Not need for stamps or nowt.

What is the break down of the charge?

I think they charge what they believe they can get away with which is actually as much as the want as you must pay up or lose cover.

That is why everyone needs to complain to the ombudsman and find out if the charge is what it costs or if it's a little earner for the broker/insurers?

***Rant over***
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 05 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hairy Ben wrote:

Hard not to be with a 'multibike'. I've yet to come across a comparison site that has the facility to enter three bikes at once. Sad


Bennetts will let you add multiple bikes at quote time. When phoned them to tell them I'd passed my test they just said that they'd send me a new certificate and I should return the old one in the prepaid envelope supplied.

No charges.


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PostPosted: 17:33 - 05 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
PeteLockwood wrote:
i also hate these charges however, if you do not like it, do not insure with that company ??


It's not just that simple.

If you have insurance cover with them then your policy will be voided unless you pay this 'ransom'.

The banks were hammered for the running a similer racket. (Though they promised to hump it onto everyone's bank charges which the bastarts have done so now get even moar off of everyone.)

Insureres are at it with this. It is a bit of paper (or rather a byte of info). It possible takes some wee lassie two minutes to punch the detail into the computer and it's done. Not need for stamps or nowt.

What is the break down of the charge?

I think they charge what they believe they can get away with which is actually as much as the want as you must pay up or lose cover.

That is why everyone needs to complain to the ombudsman and find out if the charge is what it costs or if it's a little earner for the broker/insurers?

***Rant over***


I agree, they said to me on the phone (after telling me the price of the 'new premium' totally avoiding any mention of the fact that it was just an admin charge plus £1:50 for the new premium) do you want to proceed?
Well I don't really have much option do I having been honest enough to tell them my new address details without rendering the policy now void...
There seems a general lack of transparency with insurance companies generally, it would be nice if they had a watchdog or something look at the admin costs racket but then look at the easy ride they gave the banks when they caved in and said their penalty charges were 'lawful' despite being blatant extortion hitting people where it hurts...
Having looked at their T&Cs it mentions an admin fee of up to '£30' for 'certain policy adjustments' but doesn't seem to say anything that would imply £45 admin fees for changing address...

'Schedule of Fees and Charges
Policy arrangement : when you take out or renew a policy, a non-refundable fee of up to £30.00 may apply.
Adjustments : certain policy adjustments and amendments are subject to a £30.00 administration fee.
Cancellation : if you cancel your policy at anytime you will be charged a £30.00 administration fee.
Payment default : if we need to resubmit a request for payment to your bank or card provider you will be charged £15.00.
Document delivery : if you chose to have your insurance documents delivered by post, you will be charged £10.00.
Duplicate documents : if you lose your insurance documents (or they are destroyed), and you request duplicates you will be charged £20.00
Null and Void Policies : We will make a £50 administration charge for any policy that is deemed null and void by an underwriter.'

https://www.ramasis.co.uk/docs/terms.pdf
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 05 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteLockwood wrote:
U_W v2.0 wrote:
Call insurance to update license:

Insurance person enters details for computer to generate new costs

Insurance person says XXXX amount more/less + admin fee

So they've entered the information for free to tell you the costs of that, then tell you they are going to charge you XX amount in admin fees to click "save".

Personally I still think these charges are a legal scam but then the entire insurance business is a legal scam anyway fully endorsed by the UK "big wigs".


rubbish, it is not a scam, maybe some would consider it immoral, but you do NOT have to insure with a company that charges for amendments, i absolutely guarantee there is a few company's that do not charge, choose them instead ?


Oh you simple minded fool, can you give links to those companies who do not charge admin fees and do not charge you a stupid amount for insurance in the first place?

Of course its a scam, even the banks got slammed for their excessive charges! They are no different to insurance admin fees when it really boils down to it. Just another way to make money.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 05 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

the banks where slammed because they ALL did it, with insurers this is NOT the case, you have far greater CHOICE in the insurance market, these are private and listed companies which have to maximize returns! in the publicly listed insurers they have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to do exactly that, you AGREE to the TERMS your insurance is BOUND by, if you do not like it insure with somebody else SIMPLE, even the slightest change you are BREAKING/AMENDING a CONTRACTUAL agreement in which you AGREED to, so less of the absolute bollocks you are talking!

also, usually wrong do you CRY when a mobile phone provider charges for any sort of calls / texts OUT of your agreed allowance? hmmmm thought not...
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 05 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If those are the fees listed in your contract, they cannot charge you more than £30.

EDIT: plus the policy amendment, of course.

It's gotta be with a phone call to justify why they think it should be different.

Also, it's worth doing a price comparison online (current details and new details) before you make changes, as the price they quote online is mysteriously cheaper that what they quote when you ring up in my experience Rolling Eyes

I'd be doing that before ringing them if I were you. Yu never know, it might come in useful in the conversation.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 05 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frog wrote:
If those are the fees listed in your contract, they cannot charge you more than £30.

EDIT: plus the policy amendment, of course.

It's gotta be with a phone call to justify why they think it should be different.

Also, it's worth doing a price comparison online (current details and new details) before you make changes, as the price they quote online is mysteriously cheaper that what they quote when you ring up in my experience Rolling Eyes

I'd be doing that before ringing them if I were you. Yu never know, it might come in useful in the conversation.


I've written a letter to them and asked for an explanation of the charges and what I can expect to pay for different 'amendments' in future - I don't see anything there to justify the £45 so have asked for a refund beyond the 'maximum £30' they quote.
The openness of their terms are so laughable its ridiculous...Couldn't be any more one-sided and able to be exercised at their discretion.
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PostPosted: 03:38 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteLockwood wrote:
the banks where slammed because they ALL did it, with insurers this is NOT the case, you have far greater CHOICE in the insurance market, these are private and listed companies which have to maximize returns! in the publicly listed insurers they have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to do exactly that, you AGREE to the TERMS your insurance is BOUND by, if you do not like it insure with somebody else SIMPLE, even the slightest change you are BREAKING/AMENDING a CONTRACTUAL agreement in which you AGREED to, so less of the absolute bollocks you are talking!

also, usually wrong do you CRY when a mobile phone provider charges for any sort of calls / texts OUT of your agreed allowance? hmmmm thought not...


Semantics:

The Banks are Private too you know. (Or at least most were until they fiddled them selves out of business)

Insurance is more or less a National Institution. This is made so by act of parliament and backed up by heavy penalty through the law courts.
No insurance now could mena prosecution and loss of property.
So where is this 'choice'?

I agree on your principle that we all can choose. This is fine at the time of purchase but mid term the companies have you over a legal barrel.
It is not fucking fair.

That is what we are saying.

The budget firms survive quite well on the premiums they charge. Or they would not be in the business. This is the law of economics.

The more expensive firms struggle to make ends meet as the smaller fish are cutting into the market. (So the bigger fish are now offering cheaper rates. (But not enough to force my hand)

Most peole DO NOT CLAIM on policy so in effect pay a fortune for a certificate.

Why should we be penalised for a change? OK.. make an admin charge. But do not make a tidy little earner from it where the 'Bigger' companies (Who may struggle to compete with cheap rates) DO NOT CHARGE.

I pick the companies I insure with to avoid the 'hidden costs'. I don't think I pay too much more than I would with the 'budget bastarts' though.

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PostPosted: 08:23 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteLockwood wrote:
the banks where slammed because they ALL did it, with insurers this is NOT the case, you have far greater CHOICE in the insurance market,

NOT really though, THEY all do IT, I'VE never come across AN insurance COMPANY that doesn't HAVE bullshit charges.
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