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JonB
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Issue with wife's car Reply with quote

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Car in question:

Mini One 2005
Mileage 70,000

Issue: Car judders under light braking, can actually feel it sat in the passengers seat. On the last MOT there was an advisary that all discs were worn. So could quite easily be this, but don't trust a garage to not say it isn't and spend £100s replacing the discs only for the judder still to be there.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discs aren't that expensive mate,I pay around £15 per disc at My local motor factors.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Blade wrote:
Discs aren't that expensive mate,I pay around £15 per disc at My local motor factors.

I know, but I don't have the know how or time to fit them.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick question, is it an automatic?

Also if manual put it into neutral and brake down from speed and if it judders then you pretty much know it's the brakes.

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PostPosted: 18:43 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's rarely warped discs that cause vibration under braking. It can, but in most cases it's worn suspension components (bushes etc..).
If you have access to a dial-gauge it's easy enough to check the run-out on the discs and rule them in/out.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wheel bearings can cause this aswell in some cars Thumbs Up Or the other option is to take it somewhere like kwik fit for a free brake check Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discs are cheap and they are only a tad harder than removing the wheels. The hard part is getting the brake calipers off, but if you can do that then you can swap brake discs.
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most likely to be warped disks but hey ! on this forum it could turn out to be the wrong brand of chain wax or even water in your MC Very Happy

Brakes are important M8. You might not care about your missus & the very real prospect of serious injury to her if/when her brakes fail but does she drive your kids around in the backseat?

What a bummer it would be if they failed when she was parking near your bike, knocked it over & crushed it against a wall !

What a bummer it would be if it were my kids crossing the road that she drove straight into !

An inspection at a local garage should cost you nothing, if you don't trust them then try a few & aggregate the results. Either way fix 'em soon would ya !

It's too late once they've finally failed.

What on earth are you talking crap about?

Where in the thread have I said I am not prepared to spend money on this? I will get it fixed ASAP, I just want collective opinion on a cause to deduce a likely diagnosis so I don't pay for every repair under the sun to fix one issue.

For the record it is a Manual. It judders ONLY under braking, not at any other moment.
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most likely to be warped disks but hey ! on this forum it could turn out to be the wrong brand of chain wax or even water in your MC Very Happy

Brakes are important M8. You might not care about your missus & the very real prospect of serious injury to her if/when her brakes fail but does she drive your kids around in the backseat?

What a bummer it would be if they failed when she was parking near your bike, knocked it over & crushed it against a wall !

What a bummer it would be if it were my kids crossing the road that she drove straight into !

An inspection at a local garage should cost you nothing, if you don't trust them then try a few & aggregate the results. Either way fix 'em soon would ya !

It's too late once they've finally failed.


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What on earth are you talking crap about?


Jon, don't worry about it, the guy's a moron with no conception of forum etiquette or any sense of how his posts come across to other people. He'll be banned or flounce in a few days.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

About £100 a set with pads +1.5 hours per corner max. Back St garage will charge you £250 max to supply and fit.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first guess would be distorted discs.

Second guess if its not the discs would be a faulty ABS sensor.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ABS kicking in is far more than a judder!
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
About £100 a set with pads +1.5 hours per corner max. Back St garage will charge you £250 max to supply and fit.

Yipes....i do my mates for about £50-60 in parts and a £30 drink,I should put my prices up!
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful when removing the brake discs/pads/calipers on the BMW Minis, they have a brake pad level electronic sensor which is fragile and very easy to damage when removing any of the brake components.

This can make brake changes pricy too.
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use kwik fit for things like that now. Before you all scream 'mug', the reason I do that is at our local branch, once they have discovered the fault, they invite you to come and look at it on the car before they do any work, so if it's worn disks, you can come to your own conclusion about them.

I don't know if this is general kwik fit policy or just our branch though.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
Be careful when removing the brake discs/pads/calipers on the BMW Minis, they have a brake pad level electronic sensor which is fragile and very easy to damage when removing any of the brake components.

This can make brake changes pricy too.


I think sensors are recommended to be replaced with new pads rather than re-used. Thought for a check of course they would be re-used.

Could be any or most of the above.
First thing would be new pads.
Clean the callipers, degrease the discs and refit.
Don't skimp on brake cleaner. Halfords sell their own stuff in a gallon container. It's a strong as window cleaner. Rolling Eyes
Try a clean-up with new pads and then take it from there.

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Better do it quick before the brakes catastrophically fail and your wife and kids plough into a nuclear power plant and melt the Universe.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I use kwik fit for things like that now. Before you all scream 'mug', the reason I do that is at our local branch, once they have discovered the fault, they invite you to come and look at it on the car before they do any work, so if it's worn disks, you can come to your own conclusion about them.

I don't know if this is general kwik fit policy or just our branch though.


Cool.... What does a worn disc look like??? Razz
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:52 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
I use kwik fit for things like that now. Before you all scream 'mug', the reason I do that is at our local branch, once they have discovered the fault, they invite you to come and look at it on the car before they do any work, so if it's worn disks, you can come to your own conclusion about them.

I don't know if this is general kwik fit policy or just our branch though.


Cool.... What does a worn disc look like??? Razz
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Eh? Vernier calipers across the disk and check the minimum thickness in the book. They even make it simple for you with digital calipers for thicko's who can't read old style Cool
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

When braking VERY lightly a low speed can you feel any pulsing through the pedal?

Warped disk would be my main guess (especially if they have already been written up as being worn.

Could also be a build up of rubbish on the disks (or inside a drum if they are used). I would tend to go with this if the problem appeared after the car had been left parked up for a while after which the problem became apparent (if which case check the braking surface on which the handbrake operates).

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PostPosted: 20:00 - 06 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

unless they have a ridge as a lot of pads don't cover edges of disc so you would be better with micrometer Wink
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