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PostPosted: 16:54 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: How to sharpen a kitchen knife Reply with quote

I've got myself a pretty nice kitchen knife as a gift from a guy who is moving and left his set behind, so I just took one:


https://www.porsche-design.com/filestore.aspx/normal.jpg?pool=pds2&type=pdsarticleimagepack&id=4046901040024&lang=none&filetype=normal

It's sharpish, but I'd like it sharper. I was going to get a sharpening steel from amazon, but then after reading a bit people are saying those are only for honing the blade, not sharpening. Whereas Gordon Ramsay swears by one in his videos Confused Then I know of the ridiculous sharpness you can get with wetstones, but I think those are pretty expensive right?
I got the knife for free and it's just sharp enough to cut what I want to cut, but I'd just like it a bit more "scary sharp", without spending 100 quid on stones and stuff that I will only use once in a blue moon. Any advice much appreciated Karma
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just remember which way round to hold it... Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

wet stone is by far the best unless you have access to grinders with very fine stones
wet stones are about £20 - 30 but well worth it
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:
wet stone is by far the best unless you have access to grinders with very fine stones
wet stones are about £20 - 30 but well worth it


Pretty sound advice there from Snr.

A steel will keep an edge on the knife but it wont sharpen a dull knife. Best thing to do is get the knife sharp and then a couple of runs with a steel before each use. Diamond Steel ones are the best.

When sharpened do not keep it in the same drawer with the rest. Or if you must then wrap the blade. It will prevent nicks. I keep my knives in a case and at home I use the house knives. I'm a chef by trade so my knives are well away from everyone.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharpening a blade takes practice, time and the right tools, there is no magic cheap gadget that will allow you to just spend five minutes once in a blue moon when you're bored or trying to show off in the kitchen.

Get a double sided whetstone with coarse and fine grits and a cheap steel, those will be enough to be going on with, then practice. You need to learn the bevel of the blade (whether double or single), how to hold the blade at the right angle on each pass, how to pressure the edge and most importantly when to stop. Personally I usually use a steel and hone the blade before each use, the stone is kept for those times the blade has nicked or I've been using it enough to totally remove the edge. Best advice I was ever given for preparing a blade - if it's properly sharp there is no shine on the edge.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would something like this do a good job?

https://www.rutlands.co.uk/knives/knife-sharpening-tools/stones---japanese-waterstones/JP1412/japanese-combination-waterstone---800_4000
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got one of these

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AnySharp-Global-Worlds-Sharpener-Classic/dp/B001DXVL6K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357667414&sr=8-1

It works very well IMO.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:


Might be fine for household knives but I wouldnt let that near one of mine.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Svedebo wrote:


yes thats the idea but it may be a bit too fine, I use a 400 / 1000 but thats a general purpose stone
that I use for all sorts of things like chisel's and scissors others may be able to advise a better grit ratio
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poundshop stone or aldi/lidl are doing one at the moment.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Joe wrote:


Might be fine for household knives but I wouldnt let that near one of mine.


have to agree
my mum had one of those and it destroyed a good Global knife in one pass Embarassed
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a wusthof ceramic blade sharperner on my clever.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a Spyderco sharpener. It comes with the right stones and has a clever guide system that sets the correct angle. Not particularly cheap but very very effective.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use a 1,000 grit Japanese water stone to put the edge on then the 6,000 side or a steel to hone before each use. Make or buy a stand for it.

If you were doing sushi, you'd use a stroke on a water stone before each slice.

With regards to a steel, the longer the better. Ideally half as long again as the blade to let you take full strokes down it.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:


Those things work by chewing lumps of metal off of the blade. They wreck decent knives. If you want to use a cheap sharpener then the Kitchen Devil ceramic wheel sharpener is far better and will do a lot less damage.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love sharpening stuff Laughing I do knives on an oil stone and finish on a leather strop.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

gordon ramsay uses a stone, i know this because i've cooked with and for him when i was a chef.

a steel is just for honing the edge and keeping it sharper for longer between proper sharpenings.

just pick up a cheap ass £2 sharpening stone from amazon, or anywhere that sells them. you can even get a good edge using a brick if you have a good hand.

there isn't a knife in my kitchen you couldn't pick up and shave with.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use one of these
https://www.moonrakerknives.co.uk/IMAGES/snapon081208fL.jpg

Followed by a steel to hone it.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have never tryed those sort of tools, where the angle is automatic and you just pull it through. I cant see them reaching anywhere near the sharpness of a stone.

If the blade has some sharpness it may just need a strop. This is where the very fine edge of a blade gets rolled over. jeans or leather work, just pull it up several times on each side as if you were sharpening.


However for cheapness I use wet and dry abrasives. 600, 1000 or 1200 grit, on a flat surface like glass. I should say I learned to sharpen with wood chisels when making a guitar - some I made myself and could shave with. Chisels need to be scary sharp.


dont piss around trying to change the angle and try and keep it even. if you get the wrong angle, takes more effort to get back.


When I worked in kitchen we had a crazy woman that thought slicing knives against each other sharpened them. Hence they had a ton of nicks and were shit.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

these work No idea if the seller is legit or not. They keep the blade at a pre-set angle to the stone.
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice. handle behind blade, hope it is assembled well Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
these work No idea if the seller is legit or not. They keep the blade at a pre-set angle to the stone.


I,ve got a Lansky system sharper which is similar but does different angles for different types of knives, very good quality bit of kit.


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANSKY-STANDARD-SHARPENING-SYSTEM-KNIFE-BLADE-SHARPENER-KIT-PACKAGE-CASE-LKC03-/190700860182?
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That does different angles, you set it how you want.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
these work No idea if the seller is legit or not. They keep the blade at a pre-set angle to the stone.


that actually looks like it could be useful
I used to grind and hone cutters for wood machining so know a bit about getting the best cutting edge and angles Thumbs Up
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