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PostPosted: 15:41 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Almax III vs Almax IV? Reply with quote

Hey BCF Smile

Just wondering if there's any reason I see the Almax III mentioned more frequently than the Almax IV?

The main difference I can see is that the III is 16mm, and the IV is 19mm, which surely for only an extra £20 is worth going for?

If anyone can suggest why there is more mention of the III it'd be much appreciated, as I'll hopefully be buying either one of these within the next couple of days Smile.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bottom line is if you're going to take it with you, get the 16mm. If it's staying in your garage, then get the 19mm.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ever picked up an AlmaxIII with the SS65CS Lock? It's extremely heavy! An AlmaxIV would put my back out!
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 16mm being a bit smaller and lighter is a little bit easier to carry on the bike. Not much point having the 19mm if you always leave it at home. Or do as I do and have 19mm and 16mm for home and take the 16mm out and about with you. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh ok guys, so it's mainly down to the weight of them I'm guessing. Didn't realise they would be so heavy Very Happy, guess that's to be expected with such a premium chain though.

I'll probably get the III as there is likely to be the odd occasion that I'll take it out and about, but might get the IV if and when I get more money to secure at home as well.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

They will both be destroyed quickly I imagine. Go for the smaller lighter one for mobile usage.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackw72 wrote:
They will both be destroyed quickly I imagine.

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PostPosted: 17:35 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

19mm will be in the region of 40% heavier than 16mm.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

These chains are amazing,

Took one down to my brothers station (he's a fireman) and he tried to put the jaws of life to it and said the pressure would be too much so can't cut it!

We also tried angle grinder and not even a scratch Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Josh.silverman wrote:
These chains are amazing,

Took one down to my brothers station (he's a fireman) and he tried to put the jaws of life to it and said the pressure would be too much so can't cut it!

We also tried angle grinder and not even a scratch Thumbs Up

Not sure if joking or serious...

Almax is made of metal not miracle and will be angle grinded similar to any other chain. I have series 4 and its very heavy but still possible to transport on the bike if going to a really dodgy area, but for every day I'd suggest series 3
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
19mm will be in the region of 40% heavier than 16mm.


Isnt it 18.8% heavier?
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP.

I would advise you to ring up Alex at Almax, just been on the phone for over twenty minutes explaining my circumstances to him and got a huge amount of help and advice, and %10 off website prices.

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PostPosted: 22:00 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepuma wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
19mm will be in the region of 40% heavier than 16mm.


Isnt it 18.8% heavier?


19mm Dia. is approx 41% heavier than 16mm Dia.
Relevant factor is increase in the cross sectional area.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepuma wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
19mm will be in the region of 40% heavier than 16mm.

Isnt it 18.8% heavier?

Area = pi x radius x radius.

https://ccjm.dnsd.me/pi-r-squared.jpg

(9.5 * 9.5) / (8 * 8) = 1.41 plus change.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aahhh..I get it now. My bad. Confused
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 08 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackw72 wrote:
They will both be destroyed quickly I imagine. Go for the smaller lighter one for mobile usage.


No, they won't.
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 09 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing people forget is that it's harder to fit a 19mm chain through the frame of the bike than a 16mm chain (which is hard enough, or even impossible on some sports bikes). No point chaining to a wheel, unless you want to find all that's left of your bike one day is that ultra-secure wheel.

And +1 for the no, neither will be easily broken, they both need angle grinding off, a noisy and obnoxious activity that takes some time. Of course, do-able, but what are you protecting, £20K of bike, or less than £2K?
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 09 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got the 2m IV with the Squire lock.
It's heavy.
I did weigh it when I got it, but can't remember exactly what it was. If I had to guess I'd say 15 kilo.

As for getting it through the frame etc, has anyone used a Pragmasis anti-pinch pin?
https://securityforbikes.com/anti-pinch-pin.php
I'm thinking about getting one as although I can get the chain through the frame, it's a pain in the arse.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 09 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have got an anti pinch pin, it is a pretty clever bit of kit imho. However I do use another chain at the same time to keep the wheels attached to the bike.
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