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PostPosted: 18:06 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: First Chinese motorcycle to enter the Isle of Man TT Reply with quote

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Place your bets now will it complete a lap i recon it will Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have said it will probably rust during practice but isnt there a thread on here somewhere by yambabe about the WK bikes? I think it was about 7 pages long the last time I seen it. TLDR for me. So I think it might do well. Wont compete with the big names but it might surprise.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:15 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope to god it's not running Chinese Tyres
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

it does say The bike will be prepared by Hampshire Motorcycles dont know anything about them though Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

WK650i efi R&D team, "copy the er6n, only make the WK out of an old greenhouse frame and cover it in gash stickers".

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PostPosted: 19:14 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard good things about the WK. I predicted last year when I read about it that it would be competing in the Lightweight class by this year - it's an Er-6 essentially, so why not?

I can't imagaine that any team would put it out there in stock form.

Let's just remember, recently many chinese bikes have been seen to be better quality than previously. Lot's of dealers are now offering full 3 year warranty - I can't imagine they'd do that if they weren't confident in the machines.

One final point, let's spool back about 50 ish years. People didn't trust Honda's bikes and laughed at the notion of them entering the TT, let alone winning races there. 1961 - Mike Hailwood wins 125 & 250 Lightweight TT's. On Honda's.

Prior to that, they'd finished 6th, 7th, 8th and 11th in the 125 Lightweight class, and won the Manufacturers Award.

History does repeat itself. I shall be watching with interest.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wont even make the Ferry crossing over. They better be prepared for that sea air Very Happy


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PostPosted: 20:58 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So someone dares to enter a bike that is not made by one of the recognised and respected bike makers (Chinese)! shock Horror!!!.

If they do well, it might shake the established bike makers to pull thier socks up and push harder to produce better bikes.
That can`t be a bad thing for us , can it?
Let`s see what they can do and then we can either praise them or laugh at them.
At least someone is challenging the established order Thumbs Up .

I personally would like to see a lot more different makers up there fighting it out with the big boys.

What about Lexmoto fighting it out with Honda and Paiggio for the 125 crown Laughing .
Or Hyosung , Shineray, and Yamaha doing battle for the 250 title Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strange how history repeats itself.

In the 1960-70s people were on their nortons, BSAs and triumphs. Scoffing at Jap crap.

By the mid 70s the British bike industry was dying.

By the 80s it was buried.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly hope they do well. the only thing it has probably in common to the road bike will be the name.As far as i can remember it will be up against sv's and er 6's so should do ok
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes some people did scoff at Jap crap but it was mainly the British version of Harley riders rather than the whole motorcycling fraternity.

The huge difference between what the Japanese did and what the Chinese are doing is light years apart. Even from the start where Japanese engineers took others designs they tried to improve on them, not merely copy them.

That WK bike will bear no resemblance to one that the punters could buy and everyone who is a TT aficionado will know that. I really doubt it will help much for sales figures.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hampshire motorcycles is local to me, and run by a friend of a friend. the guy knows his onions so id be surprised if he put his company's name to something he didnt think had a shot at being competitive. Time will tell i guess!
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
The huge difference between what the Japanese did and what the Chinese are doing is light years apart.


Thats a nice tale, like Erin Brockovic or J K Rowling. Rather fictional. Honda for instance nearly died horribly when they entered the US market as their bikes were horribly unreliable. The Honda Cub and the nicest people on a Honda marketting campaign saved their bacon.

They were still copying British designs and frames by the early 80s. When Sponden or Maxton came out with an early twin spar frame.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLUEX5 wrote:

T20 Super Six

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End of thread.


That wasn't the point I was making, my point was Honda made a fair bit of crap before they learnt their lessons.
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will keep my "Jap crap" and leave the Chinese motorcycles for the part time bikers.

Chinese motorcycles are all about copy and nothing about innovation.
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Torque Wrench wrote:
I will keep my "Jap crap" and leave the Chinese motorcycles for the part time bikers.

Chinese motorcycles are all about copy and nothing about innovation.


Honda used to stand for 'Had One Never Did Again.'

Chinese motorcycles are in the same place. There is a fundamental difference which makes me believe Chinese motorbikes will remain substandard for quite a while. However, I'm looking forward to seeing it out there.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't bet on it being a 'dud', I doubt it'll be a winner (yet) but I wouldn't be too surprised if it ended up in the top dozen !.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
The huge difference between what the Japanese did and what the Chinese are doing is light years apart.


Thats a nice tale, like Erin Brockovic or J K Rowling. Rather fictional. Honda for instance nearly died horribly when they entered the US market as their bikes were horribly unreliable. The Honda Cub and the nicest people on a Honda marketting campaign saved their bacon.

They were still copying British designs and frames by the early 80s. When Sponden or Maxton came out with an early twin spar frame.


British designs in the 80's what utter tosh. Honda brought out the CB750 4 in 1969 and the CB500 4 a year or so later. They brought out the GL1000 Goldwing in 1978 when the British were still making the parallel twin Bonnie. Kawasaki brought out the H1 in 1968 and the Z1 in 72. What British designs were they copying then?
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy who owns Hampshire motorcycles based in waterlooville nr Portsmouth has been involved in racing for a number of years.
He runs a bike in one of the support classes at BSB or was supposed to last year, I'm not sure if it went ahead. He is the local WK dealer.
My guess is its more to do with promotion or ego or both. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 10 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


British designs in the 80's what utter tosh. Honda brought out the CB750 4 in 1969 and the CB500 4 a year or so later. They brought out the GL1000 Goldwing in 1978 when the British were still making the parallel twin Bonnie. What British designs were they copying then?


Perhaps you ought to read it again.

I mentioned maxton and sponden, small engineering outfits. If you look at the 60s and 70s bikes you notice something. The frames look odd. High headstock, twin bars which wrap around, like a bandit frame or a CB500 frame.

This was a pretty standard frame on the beasties of Japanese bikes. At the end of the 70s and early 80s British engineering firms were tinkering with the frames and were reputed to have come up with the prototype of the twin spar frame.

By complete coincidence the next year opposing racing teams bought a bike with a copy of such a frame. There was/is a biography somewhere about it about how they let the engineers take some photos. The next year the engineers wanted to take more photos.

It happens all the time. Norman Hassock invented the funky suspension setup BMW sat on and waited for the patents to expire.
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:

It happens all the time. Norman Hassock invented the funky suspension setup BMW sat on and waited for the patents to expire.


On another forum, I got into a really interesting (for me, anyway) discussion about Japanese engineering in the car industry, where my opponant was attempting to argue that the Japs were the ultimate innovators.

Everything he threw at me as an innovation, somebody, somewhere, had done it first, often many years previously; where the Japs scored, was in making it reliable(ish) and cost effective.

I don't think you can knock the Japs for making things work, but everyone who thinks they innovate, is delusional.

As for Chinese bikes at the TT, it was only a matter of time and someone has to be first.

There's an old saying, 'racing improves the breed'; if they learn their lessons, this can only be a good thing for us punters.
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:

There's an old saying, 'racing improves the breed'; if they learn their lessons, this can only be a good thing for us punters.


If it's done by the manufacturer, I can agree. I don't think an independant entering a bike he has played around with is going to do anything for the bikes that come off the production line.
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PostPosted: 00:50 - 11 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Shaft wrote:

There's an old saying, 'racing improves the breed'; if they learn their lessons, this can only be a good thing for us punters.


If it's done by the manufacturer, I can agree. I don't think an independant entering a bike he has played around with is going to do anything for the bikes that come off the production line.


If he feeds back his data to the manufacturer and they pay attention, it could transform the production bikes.

We don't know who or what the main driver is behind this project, but if it's got anything to do with CF Moto, I doubt they would ignore it.
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