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Exhaust rot, and electrical failure. Those are the main things I'd expect. Electrical failure's fixable, though, and there are replacement exhaust systems available which sound awesome. I'm told that they start to suffer from a bit of excess camshaft movement around the 60K mark, but I have no idea as to the validity of that statement, since I'm the only person I know that actually still has a bike of this series.
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nowhere.elysium wrote: | Exhaust rot, and electrical failure. Those are the main things I'd expect. Electrical failure's fixable, though, and there are replacement exhaust systems available which sound awesome. I'm told that they start to suffer from a bit of excess camshaft movement around the 60K mark, but I have no idea as to the validity of that statement, since I'm the only person I know that actually still has a bike of this series.
If you want a hand looking at it, I'm around, and know the insides of my GS650 far too well by now  |
The listing says 'Marshal Exhaust' which I can only assume is a complete system at this age and mileage but I'll check that.
Unfortunately there isn't really any way to check the electrics are charging on a test ride so I'll just have to go on the guy's word and keep an eye out for bodges.
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beechbone wrote: | The listing says 'Marshal Exhaust' which I can only assume is a complete system at this age and mileage but I'll check that.
Unfortunately there isn't really any way to check the electrics are charging on a test ride so I'll just have to go on the guy's word and keep an eye out for bodges.
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Ah, I've got that exhaust: yes, it's a full system and it'll sound the tits. If it picks up and runs without hassle, then the electrics are likely to be fine. The biggest bugbear I've faced has been poor earth continuity more than anything. They do like to sound as if they're all over the place if the carbs aren't properly balanced, too, so don't be too put off by a lumpy idle.
Paddy - the GS range is known for being able to do equally big miles, although parts a bit pricier than the Kwak GT. The 850 shouldn't be a problem to find bits for, though, and it'll have more grunt than the GT does by a fair old margin. I know I'd prefer to do UK -> Belgium on a larger bike, if I had the choice. ____________________ '10 SV650SF, '83 GS650GT (it lives!), Questionable DIY dash project, 3D Printer project, Lasercutter project |
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nowhere.elysium wrote: | beechbone wrote: | The listing says 'Marshal Exhaust' which I can only assume is a complete system at this age and mileage but I'll check that.
Unfortunately there isn't really any way to check the electrics are charging on a test ride so I'll just have to go on the guy's word and keep an eye out for bodges.
Thanks for the offer of help. I hope we don't need it  |
Ah, I've got that exhaust: yes, it's a full system and it'll sound the tits. If it picks up and runs without hassle, then the electrics are likely to be fine. The biggest bugbear I've faced has been poor earth continuity more than anything. They do like to sound as if they're all over the place if the carbs aren't properly balanced, too, so don't be too put off by a lumpy idle.
Paddy - the GS range is known for being able to do equally big miles, although parts a bit pricier than the Kwak GT. The 850 shouldn't be a problem to find bits for, though, and it'll have more grunt than the GT does by a fair old margin. I know I'd prefer to do UK -> Belgium on a larger bike, if I had the choice. |
It's about 3 hours each side of the channel for where he's going so not exactly huge mileage but enough to want something comfy for. He's also 6ft4 and pretty broad so he's not exactly built for smaller bikes. ____________________ Riding: BMW R1150RT `02 bought mildly crashed
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Well, I've seen good 650s going for £1600 before now, and although the 850s come up a bit cheaper (thanks to being a bit more common), I'd expect to be looking at around £800-1000, depending on condition and how original it was. Has the seller replaced the shocks at all? I'd imagine that they're pretty damn tired by now, if they're original.
There's some retard trying to sell a butchered 850 on eBay at the moment, listed as a "lowrider custom", or as I like to think of it, "Fritzl'd frankenbike". He's asking for a grand, so if your mate's looking at a £500 price tag, it's definitely a good deal; on the assumption that everything's sound, it's a winner. ____________________ '10 SV650SF, '83 GS650GT (it lives!), Questionable DIY dash project, 3D Printer project, Lasercutter project |
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nowhere.elysium wrote: | Well, I've seen good 650s going for £1600 before now, and although the 850s come up a bit cheaper (thanks to being a bit more common), I'd expect to be looking at around £800-1000, depending on condition and how original it was. Has the seller replaced the shocks at all? I'd imagine that they're pretty damn tired by now, if they're original.
There's some retard trying to sell a butchered 850 on eBay at the moment, listed as a "lowrider custom", or as I like to think of it, "Fritzl'd frankenbike". He's asking for a grand, so if your mate's looking at a £500 price tag, it's definitely a good deal; on the assumption that everything's sound, it's a winner. |
Sweet, thanks. It's advertised for £700 and this is a bit of a stretch for his budget but I think it has a lot of potential for the money.
I don't know about the shocks but will have a bounce on the test ride to find out. ____________________ Riding: BMW R1150RT `02 bought mildly crashed
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Hmm, I see your point. I just wouldn't trust anything that was of that vintage. Maybe just my perception of older electrics and stuff  |
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:edit: beechbone - the Hagon shocks are very good, if the ones that are on there need replacing. I can't remember how much they are off the top of my head. Wemoto do pattern ones for ~£80, if money's tight, but it's worth shelling out for the Hagons if he can afford it.
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I wouldn't want unfaired for motorway work, is my only informed comment.
But since this is BCF, why stop there? WeMoto have plenty of parts, OK, but a 30 year old, quarter ton (dry) Suzuki would seem to be getting more into concourse than workhorse territory.
Just off the top of my head, I'd be thinking shaftie: Dullsville, Divvy 900, BMWs. Given what he'll be spunking on fuel and maintenance, cheaping out on the bike would be a false economy. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg wrote: | I wouldn't want unfaired for motorway work, is my only informed comment.
But since this is BCF, why stop there?  WeMoto have plenty of parts, OK, but a 30 year old, quarter ton (dry) Suzuki would seem to be getting more into concourse than workhorse territory.
Just off the top of my head, I'd be thinking shaftie: Dullsville, Divvy 900, BMWs. Given what he'll be spunking on fuel and maintenance, cheaping out on the bike would be a false economy. |
As I have said it is a stopgap. They reportedly do about 50mpg so fuel shouldn't be too bad. He won't be commuting on it or anything so it will simply be a fun bike and for popping over to belgium every couple of weeks when the weather is reasonable.
Honestly...if the engine sounds good and it is mechanically good condition I think it is probably pretty good for the job. Even only as a temporary solution until he has a bit more for something like a Divvy 900.
I do get what you're saying, it is a pretty damn old bike. But it all depends on how well it has been taken care of and how much work has been done to it as to whether it is a decent bike or not. I'll find that out tonight when I go and have a look. ____________________ Riding: BMW R1150RT `02 bought mildly crashed
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If it's in good nick, do it, they're bombproof.
Bit on the lardy side, but if it's for motorway cruising, bung a screen on it and you're laughing. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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Shaft wrote: | If it's in good nick, do it, they're bombproof.
Bit on the lardy side, but if it's for motorway cruising, bung a screen on it and you're laughing. |
Lardy in this case is a good thing. We need a 80mph sofa for this job  ____________________ Riding: BMW R1150RT `02 bought mildly crashed
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Rogerborg wrote: | I wouldn't want unfaired for motorway work, is my only informed comment. | I thought that too, when I first got the 650 running. however, it's the most comfortable bike I've ridden, even at motorway speeds.
I see that the bike's still got the original seat. Check the state of the seat pan; they're prone to rusting like buggery. They're not impossible to replace, but it won't be on the cheap, I promise you. ____________________ '10 SV650SF, '83 GS650GT (it lives!), Questionable DIY dash project, 3D Printer project, Lasercutter project |
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Um, I tend to go with every 2K on most of the bikes I've owned, although I've been a bit more frequent with my GS, due to it having been laid up for so long.
Google BassCliff GS850 - the guy's got a ton of information about maintenance and so forth, pertaining to these bikes. It's also worth having a look at www.thegsresources.com - there's a fairly active forum on there; it's not as lively as BCF, and people are generally a bit softer in their tone, but it's a goldmine of information.
Ask the seller when he last did the diff oil, too - that should be every 15k, IIRC. ____________________ '10 SV650SF, '83 GS650GT (it lives!), Questionable DIY dash project, 3D Printer project, Lasercutter project |
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